The latest episode of our bi-weekly pop music chat for umusic, shot and edited by The Spinoff’s own José Barbosa. It involves two pop rookies – The Spinoff’s Alex Casey and bFM’s Joseph Harper – listening to state-of-the-art pop music and having a chat about it. Simple.

This week they discuss the ghost of The Lumineers, Shawn Hook’s worrying melanoma and whether or not AlunaGeorge is broadcasting from inside a giant toilet roll.