The tenth episode of our weekly pop music chat for umusic, shot and edited by The Spinoff’s own José Barbosa. It involves two pop rookies – The Spinoff’s Alex Casey and bFM’s Joseph Harper – listening to state-of-the-art pop music and having a chat about it. Simple.

This week they discuss 5SOS’ ode to Duran Duran, the new Bieber dance and why eating cake by the ocean is a terrible idea.