The seventh episode of our weekly pop music chat for umusic, shot and edited by The Spinoff’s own José Barbosa. It involves two pop rookies – The Spinoff’s Alex Casey and bFM’s Joseph Harper – listening to state-of-the-art pop music and having a chat about it. Simple. This week they discuss Halsey’s Biggie rebellion, Tom Lark’s secret TV past and the worst time to get a phonecall from The Weeknd.

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