Jim Bolger and Tainui leader Sir Robert Mahuta (Photo: Ross Land / Getty Images)
Jim Bolger and Tainui leader Sir Robert Mahuta (Photo: Ross Land / Getty Images)

PoliticsDecember 2, 2025

Juggernaut 2: The seven generations fight

Jim Bolger and Tainui leader Sir Robert Mahuta (Photo: Ross Land / Getty Images)
Jim Bolger and Tainui leader Sir Robert Mahuta (Photo: Ross Land / Getty Images)

In episode five, the unlikely story of a landmark decade in Treaty settlements.

The 1990s in New Zealand have dawned with images of harmony projected to the world, but longstanding divisions still acute at home. The Bolger government comes to power promising to uphold the Treaty and provide redress for injustice. 

Negotiations over fishery quotas and with two of Aotearoa’s largest iwi, Waikato Tainui and Ngāi Tahu face pushback from all directions: in cabinet and the National Party base, from the public, and within te ao Māori, where the concept of the “fiscal envelope” is widely considered anathema. 

Plus: how Jim Bolger outmanoeuvred Ruth Richardson on Te Papa.

The fifth episode of Juggernaut 2: The Story of the Fourth National Government includes new and exclusive interviews with Jim Bolger, Anake Goodall, Doug Graham, Tau Henare, Jenny Shipley and more. 

Click here for full details of archive material used in this series.

Juggernaut 2 was made with the support of NZ On Air. Follow now and catch up on season one on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and all other podcast apps.