And that’s what you missed on Glee. (Photo by Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images)
And that’s what you missed on Glee. (Photo by Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images)

PoliticsOctober 22, 2024

The Andrew Bayly guide to banter

And that’s what you missed on Glee. (Photo by Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images)
And that’s what you missed on Glee. (Photo by Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images)

Worried about upsetting the workplace woke brigade by calling someone a loser? Don’t fret – it’s actually possible to banter on the job without causing offence or getting your boss involved. Lyric Waiwiri-Smith shares some tips.

When was the last time someone held their hand to their forehead in an L-shape and called you a loser? If you’re a normal person, it would probably be primary school. If you’re a small business employee who recently crossed paths with National MP Andrew Bayly, it might have been a few weeks ago.

The minister for small business and commerce fronted the media looking like a deer in headlights last Friday afternoon to address allegations he had acted inappropriately while visiting a small business in his ministerial capacity. In a letter of complaint, an employee of the business accused the minister of being intoxicated as he asked the employee why he was still working, then told him to “take some wine and fuck off”. According to the worker, Bayly repeatedly called him a “loser” while holding his hand in an L-shaped formation to his forehead.

Bayly apologised for causing offence, but has denied being intoxicated or using the word “fuck”, and told RNZ’s Lisa Owen the discussion was a “light-hearted exchange”. In the letter, the complainant said the exchange left them feeling “embarrassed, ridiculed, and degraded.” Prime minister Christopher Luxon said Bayly’s comments “fell well short” of expected behaviour from MPs and the minister had got it “horribly wrong”, but as he had been given the assurance it would not happen again, Bayly would not be demoted. 

Andrew Bayly, unofficial minister for schoolyard jokes.

It is not the first time one of Bayly’s “jokes” has failed to land. Following a National Party conference in 2021, Bayly apologised to then local government minister Nanaia Mahuta for mucking up her name. “Nanna, manna, nan, um, nanny, manny, man, oh dear, whatever,” he reportedly said. “There’s no media here, is there?”

He clearly has a funny bone in there somewhere, but maybe it’s permanently sprained. Like a bad child, it’s possible Bayly has picked up the naughty words from others and is using them without much thought. Parliament doesn’t exactly set a good example: Hansard shows the word “loser” has commonly been used as an insult since 2002, including when Rodney Hide referred to Winston Peters as “that loser” who “has taken the biggest baubles of office his greedy chops could reach around”, when John Banks called Metiria Turei the “co-loser of the Green Party”, and when Stuart Nash told Nick Smith to “turn it up, you bloody loser”. Unfortunately, Hansard does not record whether the MPs in question were making L shapes on their forehead at the time.

Use of the word begins to peter out post-2011, following the departure of one of its most fond users, Act’s Hide. Frequency tumbles even lower from 2022 onwards, after Labour’s Trevor Mallard, another prolific “loser” user, also left the big House. These days, politicians prefer to call each other the likes of “banshees”, “arrogant prick”, “bigoted lefty shill” or “colonesian”.

A gaffe here and there also isn’t unheard of (or unexpected) from our politicians when they’re out and about. In 2013, then National MP Aaron Gilmore allegedly asked a bartender in Hanmer Springs “do you know who I am?” before threatening to get John Key involved in sacking him. Needless to say, no one was sacked, but Gilmore did resign from parliament, telling reporters: “If there was a dickhead that night, it was me”. (There was a missed opportunity for Bayly to repeat this line with “loser” instead of “dickhead”.)

Sometimes, you have to alter your jokes for your audience.

Not everyone is naturally quick-witted or even funny, and that’s OK. But should you feel inspired to make a joke and engage in some light-hearted conversation in the course of carrying out your work duties, follow this guide to keep yourself out of hot water and bad headlines, and in the loving hearts and minds of New Zealand’s losers workforce.

  1. Keep your hands out of it. It’s crazy how quickly a definitely well-meaning gesture can turn into a L-shape on the forehead or the pulling of a ponytail.
  2. Avoid name-calling and personal insults, even if you think you’re both in on the joke. Calling someone a loser? We have definitely established that this probably won’t go down well. Puffed-up little shit? Also a hard no-go.
  3. Stick to a topic you know about, which in Bayly’s case is allegedly business, but clearly he hasn’t quite cracked comedic gold in that arena yet. It might have been safer for him to do a “how about that airplane food?” bit.
  4. Punching up is much better and typically less socially risk-averse than punching down. Digging at the opposition: par for the course. Digging at a small business worker: bad.
  5. If your “joke” is met with more uncomfortable glances than laughter, abort mission. Do not repeat joke. Do not try to explain joke. Do not say “am I right?” or “do you get it?” Do not invite person you have offended out to drinks. Take the L and admit you might be a bit of a loser when it comes to cracking jokes.
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