The Fold

A podcast covering the chaotic New Zealand media industry, hosted by The Spinoff managing editor Duncan Greive.

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14 June 2021

Creator Series: Derek Cheng on balancing a press gallery job with a climbing obsession

On this week’s episode of The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to the New Zealand Herald’s deputy political editor Derek Cheng.

On this week’s episode of The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to the New Zealand Herald’s deputy political editor Derek Cheng. While most press gallery journalists go to sleep dreaming of politics, Derek Cheng has another true love – climbing. Duncan first met him at a press gallery party, where he… On this week’s episode of The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to the New Zealand Herald’s deputy political editor Derek Cheng. While most press gallery journalists go to sleep dreaming of politics, Derek Cheng has another true love – climbing. Duncan first met him at a press gallery party, where he was barefoot, cooking up sausages on a barbecue, and since learning of the journalist’s intense passion for climbing, has been intrigued to find out more. In this episode Derek talks about his climbing, a serious injury that brought him back home to New Zealand, and why Covid-19 was such a fascinating time to be in the belly of the beehive. Follow The Fold on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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31 May 2021

Creator Series: Kirsty Johnston on impact journalism, and the difference between the Herald and Stuff

Duncan talks to Kirsty Johnston, senior writer at Stuff. Kirsty is known for her investigative journalism, writing in-depth about domestic violence, abuse in state care and education over the last decade. 

So far this year on The Fold, Duncan Greive has spoken to a number of the media's top dogs, gaining insight into how the news runs from a business standpoint. Today we're changing the scope with the launch of our Creator Series, featuring conversations with the people on the ground,… So far this year on The Fold, Duncan Greive has spoken to a number of the media's top dogs, gaining insight into how the news runs from a business standpoint. Today we're changing the scope with the launch of our Creator Series, featuring conversations with the people on the ground, the ones actually making the media we all consume. First up, Duncan talks to Kirsty Johnston, senior writer at Stuff. Kirsty is known for her investigative journalism, writing in-depth about domestic violence, abuse in state care and education over the last decade. In this episode she talks about the mayhem of working in the New Zealand media industry, why she's passionate about telling stories at an individual level and why writing behind a paywall didn't work for her. Follow The Fold on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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17 May 2021

Miriyana Alexander on two years of NZ Herald’s online subscription model

In this edition of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive is joined by Miriyana Alexander, head of premium at the New Zealand Herald.

It's been two years since the NZ Herald website launched its premium offering, the first New Zealand media brand to do so. In that time head of premium Miriyana Alexander has learnt a lot about what New Zealanders want from their news, and she joins Duncan Greive to talk about… It's been two years since the NZ Herald website launched its premium offering, the first New Zealand media brand to do so. In that time head of premium Miriyana Alexander has learnt a lot about what New Zealanders want from their news, and she joins Duncan Greive to talk about it on this episode of The Fold. They also discuss why The Herald chose their particular hard paywall model and whether that's something they've ever considered changing, the end of the front page, how social media is changing the way traditional media functions and more in a wide-ranging conversation. Follow The Fold on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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10 May 2021

TVNZ CEO Kevin Kenrick on the media merger and the future of OnDemand

Duncan Greive talks to TVNZ CEO Kevin Kenrick about the much talked-about RNZ/TVNZ merger, and Kenrick hints at a paid subscription offering for the TVNZ OnDemand service that could be hitting the market soon.

In this week's episode of The Spinoff's media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to TVNZ CEO Kevin Kenrick about the much talked-about RNZ/TVNZ merger, and Kenrick hints at a paid subscription offering for the TVNZ OnDemand service that could be hitting the market soon. Follow The Fold on Apple… In this week's episode of The Spinoff's media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to TVNZ CEO Kevin Kenrick about the much talked-about RNZ/TVNZ merger, and Kenrick hints at a paid subscription offering for the TVNZ OnDemand service that could be hitting the market soon. Follow The Fold on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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3 May 2021

Meet the 17-year-old magazine publishers making social change in youth circles

Rachel Zhou and Angelina Del Favero were just 14 when they started publishing imPower magazine.

Rachel Zhou and Angelina Del Favero were just 14 when they started publishing imPower magazine. The first two editions – focusing on family harm and modern slavery – were sent to every secondary school in the country. Now 17, they're working on a third all about body image. Follow The… Rachel Zhou and Angelina Del Favero were just 14 when they started publishing imPower magazine. The first two editions – focusing on family harm and modern slavery – were sent to every secondary school in the country. Now 17, they're working on a third all about body image. Follow The Fold on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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19 April 2021

From Tourism NZ to the Superbowl: Special Group’s founder on the rapidly changing world of advertising

In this week’s episode of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to Special Group founder and CEO Tony Bradbourne about the changing world of advertising, going global and making a Superbowl ad.

In this week's episode of The Spinoff's media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to Special Group founder and CEO Tony Bradbourne about the changing world of advertising, going global and making a Superbowl ad. Subscribe and listen to The Fold on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or your favourite podcast provider. In this week's episode of The Spinoff's media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to Special Group founder and CEO Tony Bradbourne about the changing world of advertising, going global and making a Superbowl ad. Subscribe and listen to The Fold on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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12 April 2021

Broadcasting minister Kris Faafoi on funding NZ journalism

This week on The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to broadcasting and media minister Kris Faafoi about funding journalism, putting the audience first and a public media merger.

This week on The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to broadcasting and media minister Kris Faafoi about funding journalism, putting the audience first and a public media merger. We get to talk with a lot of people in the centre of New Zealand's media industry on this podcast, now we speak… This week on The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to broadcasting and media minister Kris Faafoi about funding journalism, putting the audience first and a public media merger. We get to talk with a lot of people in the centre of New Zealand's media industry on this podcast, now we speak to the man representing the media in the Beehive. Kris Faafoi took over the broadcasting and media portfolio after the resignation of Claire Curran in 2018. Duncan Greive talks with the minister on this episode of The Fold about taking up the portfolio and the work he's done in the media industry since. They talk about Māori and Pasefika representation, the public interest journalism fund and the proposed RNZ/TVNZ merger. Faafoi also talks about media consumption and the rapid shift from linear television to on demand and international online offerings that are now taking over viewing habits. Subscribe and listen to The Fold via Apple PodcastsSpotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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6 April 2021

Vodafone’s CEO on ethical advertising and the Magic Talk saga, honouring te Tiriti and the 5G network

This week on The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to Vodafone CEO Jason Paris.

This week on The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to Vodafone CEO Jason Paris. After pulling their advertising from Magic Talk in the wake of John Banks' racist comments airing, Vodafone developed an entire policy for ethical advertising. Their CEO Jason Paris tells Duncan Greive about that decision and how it… This week on The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to Vodafone CEO Jason Paris. After pulling their advertising from Magic Talk in the wake of John Banks' racist comments airing, Vodafone developed an entire policy for ethical advertising. Their CEO Jason Paris tells Duncan Greive about that decision and how it happened so quickly, as well as their new-ish policy on honouring the Treaty. He and Duncan also talk about the 5G rollout and what it will actually mean for most people, and how Vodafone TV is simplifying the streaming experience. Subscribe and listen to The Fold via Apple PodcastsSpotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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29 March 2021

Cam Wallace on his first three months as MediaWorks CEO

Duncan Greive talks to Cam Wallace, MediaWorks’ CEO about Magic Talk, The Rock and the future of commercial radio.

Duncan Greive talks to Cam Wallace, MediaWorks' CEO about Magic Talk, The Rock and the future of commercial radio. Cam Wallace worked at Air New Zealand for almost two decades before he left last year amid the turmoil of Covid and all it brought upon the travel industry. Just months… Duncan Greive talks to Cam Wallace, MediaWorks' CEO about Magic Talk, The Rock and the future of commercial radio. Cam Wallace worked at Air New Zealand for almost two decades before he left last year amid the turmoil of Covid and all it brought upon the travel industry. Just months later as ex-MediaWorks CEO Michael Anderson announced his departure from the role, Wallace was revealed to be the next-in-line. Just three months into his new job, Wallace has already made some waves in the company, kicking John Banks off air after Banks made racist comments on Magic Talk, and now dealing with allegations of sexual abuse made against workers at various stations under MediaWorks. On this episode of The Fold he talks to Duncan Greive about his move into media and how radio just keeps surviving. Subscribe and listen to The Fold via Apple PodcastsSpotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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23 March 2021

Hal Crawford on reviewing the NZ Media Fund, and what he learnt doing it

In this episode of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to ex-head of news at Mediaworks, Hal Crawford, who’s just completed a review into the NZ Media Fund.

In this episode of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to ex-head of news at Mediaworks, Hal Crawford, who's just completed a review into the NZ Media Fund. The NZ Media Fund was introduced by New Zealand On Air in 2017 to cover television, radio, music and… In this episode of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to ex-head of news at Mediaworks, Hal Crawford, who's just completed a review into the NZ Media Fund. The NZ Media Fund was introduced by New Zealand On Air in 2017 to cover television, radio, music and online media, in hopes that it would more successfully represent the growing diversity of media than past funds. Now, three years later, former Mediaworks head of news Hal Crawford has conducted an independent review into this fund, hoping to grasp the industry's feelings about how the money is being spent. He joins The Fold today to talk about what he learnt about New Zealand's unique media landscape and why this review was important. Subscribe and listen to The Fold via Apple PodcastsSpotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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12 March 2021

Local Democracy reporter Justin Latif on telling the stories of South Auckland

Today on The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to The Spinoff’s Justin Latif about reporting from South Auckland.

Today on The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to The Spinoff's Justin Latif about reporting from South Auckland. Through his career Justin has developed a passion for reporting stories from his home in South Auckland. He chats to Duncan about where that passion came from, why his role is so important… Today on The Fold, Duncan Greive talks to The Spinoff's Justin Latif about reporting from South Auckland. Through his career Justin has developed a passion for reporting stories from his home in South Auckland. He chats to Duncan about where that passion came from, why his role is so important and whether the media has been fair on South Auckland communities in the past. Justin also ponders whether the Local Democracy reporters' scheme will make a difference to regions with low media coverage and reflects on the many roles he's held in the industry, and out of it, since he started at Fairfax in the mid-2000s. Subscribe and listen to The Fold via Apple PodcastsSpotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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18 February 2021

Facebook just blocked all news in Australia

Duncan Greive analyses a shocking development in the global pushback against big tech.

Facebook has made the monumental decision to block all people and publications in Australia from posting news content, after a long battle between the Australian government and the social media giant. The implications of this action are already being felt as many Australian-based Facebook pages are shut down, and the… Facebook has made the monumental decision to block all people and publications in Australia from posting news content, after a long battle between the Australian government and the social media giant. The implications of this action are already being felt as many Australian-based Facebook pages are shut down, and the potential implications could change how people around the world access news. On this episode of The Fold, Duncan Greive explains how it got to this point, and what could happen next for Australia's news media. Subscribe and listen to The Fold via Apple PodcastsSpotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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15 February 2021

Substack’s Hamish McKenzie on a new era of publishing

In this episode of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive is joined by Hamish McKenzie, co-founder of Substack.

In this episode of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive is joined by Hamish McKenzie, co-founder of Substack. For years, the media landscape has been filled with publications making money by filling up ad space. While an effective mode of funding for the already underfunded sector, Hamish McKenzie… In this episode of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive is joined by Hamish McKenzie, co-founder of Substack. For years, the media landscape has been filled with publications making money by filling up ad space. While an effective mode of funding for the already underfunded sector, Hamish McKenzie saw an alternative. Alongside co-founders Chris Best and Jairaj Sethi, McKenzie developed Substack, an online platform for writers to send newsletters directly to paying subscribers. In the three years since its inception, the platform has become host to some of the most well-known names in New Zealand and international journalism, including Vox co-founder Matthew Yglesias and local writer David Farrier, and some writers are making a lot of money from subscriptions. Today on The Fold, McKenzie joins Duncan Greive to talk about a new era of publishing, driven by readers, not ads. Subscribe and listen to The Fold via Apple PodcastsSpotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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Ali Mau on #MeTooNZ, talkback radio and the NZ music industry’s reckoning

In this edition of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive is joined by Ali Mau, Stuff senior journalist and creator of New Zealand’s own MeToo movement.

In this edition of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive is joined by Ali Mau, Stuff senior journalist and creator of New Zealand's own MeToo movement. In 2017, the MeToo movement brought some of Hollywood's elite crashing down under allegations of serious sexual abuse and misconduct. One year… In this edition of The Spinoff’s media podcast The Fold, Duncan Greive is joined by Ali Mau, Stuff senior journalist and creator of New Zealand's own MeToo movement. In 2017, the MeToo movement brought some of Hollywood's elite crashing down under allegations of serious sexual abuse and misconduct. One year later, journalist Ali Mau brought the movement to New Zealand when she launched #MeTooNZ with a team at Stuff. Her goal was to bring to light stories of misconduct and abuse within our own borders, and in the three years since she's reported these stories from victims in many industries, from fast food to academia. In this episode of The Fold, Ali Mau joins Duncan Greive to explain how her career has led her to the point she's at now, defend talkback radio, and praise the bravery of those who allow her to tell their stories. Subscribe and listen to The Fold via Apple PodcastsSpotify or your favourite podcast provider.

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24 December 2020

The wildfire that was 2020 for NZ media, reviewed

The pandemic put unbearable pressure on New Zealand’s media this year, but also saw it gain larger and more engaged audiences than ever before. In a year-ending monopod, Duncan Greive wraps his head around what it all means.

The pandemic put unbearable pressure on New Zealand’s media this year, but also saw it gain larger and more engaged audiences than ever before. In a year-ending monopod, Duncan Greive wraps his head around what it all means. I've tried to capture the sweep of this incredible year by drilling… The pandemic put unbearable pressure on New Zealand’s media this year, but also saw it gain larger and more engaged audiences than ever before. In a year-ending monopod, Duncan Greive wraps his head around what it all means. I've tried to capture the sweep of this incredible year by drilling into the news organisations, journalists and other players in the ecosystem. Broadly it felt like a year in which, under some of the most extreme duress imaginable, journalism rediscovered its purpose, and both the public and government felt that too. So for an hour I went solo, taking the monopod format and going deep on the following topics:
  • Google and Facebook’s epic battle with Australian regulators, and what that means for New Zealand.
  • Sinead Boucher and Stuff’s triumphant year, from buying the company for $1 to the historic apology and everything in between – while still having questions over its future.
  • The contrasting strategy of NZME, which is clearly more focussed on business than editorial at this point.
  • The continued rollercoaster that is Sky, which started the year by buying Lightbox and ended it by losing its CEO (while gaining a very promising new one).
  • holding pattern for RNZ, which tried to change and found New Zealand’s most powerful NIMBYs camped on its lawn.
  • TVNZ deftly using its dominance to huge advantage – owning the local space, becoming the unquestioned winner of the free VOD platforms and positioning itself to be the main player in the suddenly-back-on RNZ/TVNZ merger.
  • A series of coups for Mediaworks, selling the TV arm to Discovery and installing Air NZ’s Cam Wallace as CEO of the new radio and outdoor company.
  • The unexpected vitality of the indie media space after the collapse of Bauer.
It’s all hyper-nerdy, but if you are, tragically for you, into this sort of thing, then there’s a solid hour of me talking at you about this heart attack year for our media. Merry Christmas, I guess? The Fold is proudly supported by Vodafone. With innovation made simple and world-class network technology, Vodafone will help maximise the potential of you and your business. Find out more at vodafone.co.nz Subscribe and listen via Apple Podcasts, Spotify or via your favourite podcast provider.

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22 December 2020

The Spinoff presents SUPERPOD 2020

Pour yourself some eggnog and join the hosts of The Spinoff’s podcast network for our annual Superpod round up of the year that was.

Pour yourself some eggnog and join the hosts of The Spinoff’s podcast network for our annual Superpod round up of the year that was. Representing Gone By Lunchtime, Dietary Requirements, The Real Pod, Papercuts, The Fold and On The Rag our hosts dive into the key events, issues, heroes and… Pour yourself some eggnog and join the hosts of The Spinoff’s podcast network for our annual Superpod round up of the year that was. Representing Gone By Lunchtime, Dietary Requirements, The Real Pod, Papercuts, The Fold and On The Rag our hosts dive into the key events, issues, heroes and villains of 2020. From National’s botched election campaign to Ben Thomas’ take on TikTok, via the collapse of Bauer, the rise of oat milk, with a detour through controversial frozen grapes and Simon’s Sausage Spot, there’s something for everyone in this year’s Superpod. Featuring special guests producer T and Covid-19.

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4 December 2020

Turning words into action, with Laura O’Connell Rapira

The outgoing director of grassroots community campaigning organisation ActionStation joins Duncan Greive to talk about a busy few years in the job.

The outgoing director of grassroots community campaigning organisation ActionStation joins Duncan Greive to talk about a busy few years in the job. ActionStation was formed in 2014, but it feels like it's been around much longer than that. The independent, crowdfunded community organisation has led a number of highly visible… The outgoing director of grassroots community campaigning organisation ActionStation joins Duncan Greive to talk about a busy few years in the job. ActionStation was formed in 2014, but it feels like it's been around much longer than that. The independent, crowdfunded community organisation has led a number of highly visible and successful campaigns across a wide range of issues during the last six years, thanks in no small part to the energy and forward thinking of its outgoing director Laura O’Connell Rapira. In her time the group has carried the conversation on everything from mental health to making Matariki a public holiday in a way that feels distinctly modern, online and media-savvy. To talk about what’s worked, what hasn’t, the highlights of the role and what’s next, Laura O’Connell Rapira joined host Duncan Greive on this week’s episode of The Fold. The Fold is proudly supported by Vodafone. With innovation made simple and world-class network technology, Vodafone will help maximise the potential of you and your business. Find out more at vodafone.co.nz Listen here, or download this episode (right click and save). Subscribe via Apple PodcastsRSS or via your favourite podcast provider.

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23 November 2020

The boss of all rugby, with Mark Robinson

NZ Rugby is in a fascinating situation at the moment, with some big calls to be made over the coming years. The man in charge of making them joins Duncan Greive on this week’s episode of The Fold.

NZ Rugby is in a fascinating situation at the moment, with some big calls to be made over the coming years. The man in charge of making them joins Duncan Greive on this week’s episode of The Fold. Mark Robinson probably has one of the most complex jobs in the… NZ Rugby is in a fascinating situation at the moment, with some big calls to be made over the coming years. The man in charge of making them joins Duncan Greive on this week’s episode of The Fold. Mark Robinson probably has one of the most complex jobs in the country. As CEO of NZ Rugby he’s effectively the boss of everything from the All Blacks and Black Ferns to the clubs, the head of an organisation that has many, many different stakeholders. He only came into the job about nine months ago, which meant he was just getting his feet under the desk when Covid hit and threw the whole rugby season a massive dummy. The pandemic didn’t just disrupt the match schedule – it seemed to bring a lot of the sport’s underlying issues to the surface as well. This obviously makes the CEO’s job a much harder one than it would have been even a few years ago. NZ Rugby is in a fascinating situation, and decisions made under Mark Robinson’s tenure could make or break the sport’s future in New Zealand. To discuss this situation, as well as talking about Match Fit and what he admires about the NBA’s marketing model, he joined Duncan Greive for this week’s episode of The Fold. Listen here, or download this episode (right click and save). Subscribe via Apple PodcastsRSS or via your favourite podcast provider.

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6 November 2020

Media, money and the government, with Bernard Hickey

This week on The Fold, journalist Bernard Hickey joins host Duncan Greive for a wide-ranging chat about the challenges faced by New Zealand media and why he’s launched a new subscription-only daily email.

This week on The Fold, journalist Bernard Hickey joins host Duncan Greive for a wide-ranging chat about the challenges faced by New Zealand media and why he’s launched a new subscription-only daily email. Working at the intersection of politics and economics, Bernard Hickey is one of the most interesting and… This week on The Fold, journalist Bernard Hickey joins host Duncan Greive for a wide-ranging chat about the challenges faced by New Zealand media and why he’s launched a new subscription-only daily email. Working at the intersection of politics and economics, Bernard Hickey is one of the most interesting and unique journalists in New Zealand today. As you’ll hear in this episode, he possesses a rare ability to make even the most mysterious or boring-sounding topics within these areas feel urgent, exciting and accessible. His latest venture in a long career (he’s one of the founders of Interest.co.nz, has held senior roles in the Fairfax/Stuff Business team and was one of the founders of Newsroom, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg) is The Kākā, a daily email which allows him to respond to unfolding stories in close to real time. To talk about why, as well as get stuck into government policy toward the media and the New Zealand media market, the wage subsidy, Stuff’s recent acquisition and more, he joined Duncan Greive in the studio for a no-holds-barred, boots’n’all episode of The Fold. Listen here, or download this episode (right click and save). Subscribe via Apple PodcastsRSS or via your favourite podcast provider.

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23 October 2020

Melodie Robinson on the future of NZ sports broadcasting

From winning two world cups with the Black Ferns to heading up TVNZ’s sports and events department, Melodie Robinson’s career has been one full of remarkable firsts. She joins host Duncan Greive to talk about it on this week’s episode of The Fold.

From winning two world cups with the Black Ferns to heading up TVNZ’s sports and events department, Melodie Robinson’s career has been one full of remarkable firsts. She joins host Duncan Greive to talk about it on this week’s episode of The Fold. When the Ministry of Education decided to… From winning two world cups with the Black Ferns to heading up TVNZ’s sports and events department, Melodie Robinson’s career has been one full of remarkable firsts. She joins host Duncan Greive to talk about it on this week’s episode of The Fold. When the Ministry of Education decided to start a children’s educational channel during the first lockdown earlier this year, the job fell to the TVNZ department that had just found itself with not a lot of work on – sports and events. General manager Melodie Robinson and her team threw together the prop, got the contract and ended up setting up the entire channel in about 10 days. That’s just one remarkable story in a career full of them. Robinson started out in journalism as a press gallery reporter for Mana News, before moving into sports production at XtraMSN. She broke barriers as a rugby commentator presenter during a long career at Sky Sports, before moving into a new role at TVNZ. It’d be fair to say Robinson has seen some things and faced some challenges in her time at these institutions – and has some of the best stories in the business to show for it. She’s been a dream guest for The Fold since the podcast began, and we’re delighted to finally get her on for a chat this week. Listen here, or download this episode (right click and save). Subscribe via Apple PodcastsRSS or via your favourite podcast provider.

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