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ComedyMay 25, 2017

What does The Billy T Award mean in 2017?

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Spinoff Comedy co-editor Sam Brooks takes a look at the recent history of the Billy T Award, what felt different about this year’s nominees, and what that means for New Zealand’s comedy industry as a whole.

There was a Moonlight/La La Land joke when it came time to announce the Billy T. It wasn’t funny. Those jokes haven’t been funny since about a week after the Oscars.

The five nominees were:

The amiable Lower Hutt-ian Patch Lambert

The philosophy nerd Ray O’Leary

The charming Li’i Alaimoana

The quadruple threat Paul Williams

And then we had the eventual winner Angella Dravid. Her show was one of the best hours of the festival. You knew you were watching the winner as it unfolded. She engaged in some beautiful crowd work, she opened herself up to us and peppered it all with some truly dark and very real punchlines. Dravid is a natural clown and true original.

She’s our Billy T winner and in any year she would’ve deserved it.

Angella Dravid (right) with 2017 Fred Award winner Rose Matafeo

There are a few concrete criteria when it comes to applying for the Billy T Award. There’s the usual admin stuff, like it’s only open to New Zealand residents (sorry Ricky Gervais) and they must be performing a one hour show in the Comedy Festival the following year (probably also sorry Ricky Gervais).

Then there are the things that just make sense: applicants can’t have been performing for more than five years (I’m assuming this means performing ‘stand-up’, things like Snort or being an actor don’t necessarily count) and it’s only open to people who have done fewer than three solo shows (applicants can have done two standalone hours and can apply with their third hour).

This is all objective stuff that’s fairly easy to check if you have a festival programme handy or you’re one of those people who have encyclopedic knowledge and instant recall of extremely niche information (hi, nice to meet you).

Then there are the other criteria:

“In selecting the Award nominees, the Panel will consider many factors including:

  •     performance history
  •     professional attitude towards their career
  •     current form
  •     future plans
  •     live performances in the lead up to the Festival (where possible)”

You might be thinking, “Hey, that’s vague!” And you might be right. You also might be thinking, “Hey, that’s pretty subjective!” You would also be right.

The applicants are judged on three things:

1. The application. I assume all our Billy T winners have been able to fill out an application form, or at least have their managers do it for them.

2. The showcase. The showcase takes place in October, and is split over two nights. A selection of nominees perform about five-to-eight minutes each.

3. The presentation! This is the part we don’t see.

Let’s talk about the presentation. This is where the applicants pitch their idea for a show. Having seen all of the Billy T nominees, I can imagine what their pitches might’ve looked like and how strongly they would’ve pitched.

You could speculate endlessly about why certain people weren’t nominated, especially after seeing their shows. We don’t know, and we won’t ever know. I wasn’t at the showcase, I’m not on the panel. I can guarantee you if I was then I would’ve made sure five women were nominated. Because looking at the list of who applied you could fill the Billy T nominee slots with ten women and still not have enough room for all the women who deserved it.

But I digress (and show my biases).

We can’t know what happened with these nominees or why they were picked, and we won’t ever know. The only thing we can go on is what happened about six months later during the Comedy Festival. And honestly, based on what happened six months later, the question needs to be asked:

What happened with these nominees?

Billy T nominees Patch Lambert, Li’i Alaimoana, Angella Dravid, Ray O’Leary, Paul Williams.

When the nominees were announced, I thought, “huh – that’s weird.” The nominees were three comedians from Wellington I frankly hadn’t heard of – one of whom had won as Best Newcomer (Ray O’Leary) and another won Best Breakthrough Performer (Patch Lambert) at the NZ Comedy Guild Awards – a performer with whom I was super familiar, and a comedian who had done a half hour in Auckland and been a Raw Comedy finalist. I was familiar with Paul, who has been around the scene for a few years but is most famous as Rose Matafeo’s sidekick in her show Finally Dead, and with Angella, who had a show in the festival last year, but the other three were enigmas to me.

To explain a bit I’m going to do a quick overview of the last few years of Billy T nominees:

In 2016, the five nominees were Alice Brine, David Correos, Laura Daniel, James Malcolm and Matt Stellingwerf. You’ve got a fast-rising Wellington comedian there, a dark horse clown, a star of Funny Girls and Jono and Ben, and a previous Billy T nominee.

And in 2015, the five nominees were Tim Batt, Eli Matthewson, Hamish Parkinson, Nic Sampson and Matt Stellingwerf. A popular comedian with an even more popular podcast, a previous Billy T nominee, one of the best clowns the country has ever seen, the head writer for Jono and Ben and a solid newcomer.

I could go further backwards and bore literally everybody, but a running theme is that these are comedians who were familiar to both the community, which I am tangentially part of because comedy and theatre blend like vodka and coke (you can mix them, and people sometimes do, but should you?) but also to audiences. It’s crucial to say that I’m talking about the Auckland community here – three of the nominees this year are based in Wellington and popular there.

Look at 2015: two people who have done hours before, and three people who are part of Snort. None are taking their first crack at doing comedy. People could pick up a programme and they’d know who Nic Sampson was, because they’d seen him on TV.

So what was different about this year?

First off, I’d like to give you how the Billy T Award is defined, as by the Wikipedia page, which I have on fairly good authority was created by Guy Williams: “The Billy T Award is a New Zealand comedy award recognising up-and-coming New Zealand comedians with outstanding potential.”

That’s a vague definition, which is fine. It’s why we’ve got winners as diverse as Rose Matafeo, Guy Montgomery, Guy Williams, Rhys Mathewson, David Correos and Sam Wills (The Boy with Tape on His Face). These are people who were all at completely different stages of their career. Rhys Mathewson won when he was 18, Rose Matafeo won when she was hosting U Live, David Correos won before he’d ever seen the other side of a camera (this is me making an assumption based on David’s comedy).

There’s a low ceiling to hit in New Zealand comedy. You can get on TV, and be recognised nationally fairly quickly. To its immense credit, the Billy T Award doesn’t automatically go to the most famous person.

Which brings me to this year’s nominees.

It’s important here to note that comedy exists in bubbles and venn diagrams – like any artform. If you’ve been reading my specific coverage, it skews very much towards The Basement crowd, which skews much more theatrical and if I’m honest, much more Snort-y. That’s the comedy I’m familiar with; I’m not the kind of person who goes to open mics or Big Wednesday at the Classic. So someone who might be very familiar to me, like Alice Snedden, who I’ve seen performing for a few years now, might be utterly foreign to another person. On the flipside, someone like Li’i Alaimoana wasn’t familiar to me when the nominees come out, but he regularly sells out gigs down in Wellington.

The industry doesn’t look the same as it did when the Billy T Award started in 1998. Back then the award went to Cal Wilson and Ewen Gilmour. Shakespeare in Love won Best Picture. Madonna had a critical and commercial comeback with Ray of Light.

I remember talking to Justine Smith, way at the start of this gig as comedy co-editor, about what the industry looked like when she was starting out. She mentioned that it was easy to get stage time at the Classic – you just rang up Scott and asked for a gig.

That’s not what it’s like now, to put it bluntly. According to many comedians, it’s getting harder to get any stage time at all. The Classic is a stalwart but it’s the main stage for comedians both established and emerging, from Brendhan Lovegrove to Alice Snedden. Gigs have popped up around town, from Down to Clown at The Basement to Talk and Show at Golden Dawn, to an open mic at Revelry to accommodate the demand for the stage time. But there’s just not enough stage time for the amount of comedians we have now.

The Snort Crew / Photo Credit: Andi Crown.

When there’s less stage time, there’s less time to develop your craft, fewer chances to try something out, to figure out who you are as a performer. It’s no wonder the Fred Award (an award that recognises the best NZ show of the festival) nominees were largely comprised of the Snort crew. These guys are out there performing and honing their craft every single week, onscreen and onstage; they’re match-ready. They know their voices, they know their style, they know their audience and they’re refining all three of those every single week.

From this group over the past few years, we’ve had three Billy T winners (Rose Matafeo, Guy Montgomery, Hamish Parkinson) and four Billy T nominees (Laura Daniel, Eli Matthewson, Joseph Moore, Nic Sampson). It’s no wonder three of them filled the Best Newcomer nominee slate this year (Alice Snedden, Donna Brookbanks, Brynley Stent) either. These guys have been dominating the industry, and there’s an entire piece in figuring out how, why and what that means.

This year’s nominees were five people doing their first hour of comedy, and four people who were doing their first festival show ever. That’s pretty rare, as far as I can tell. So not only have you got five comedians who are frankly not used to doing an hour of comedy, you’re presenting them to an audience who have likely never seen them do any comedy whatsoever, at least in Auckland. (I can only speak for Auckland here – I have on fairly good authority that the three Wellingtonians had killer crowds in their hometown.)

That’s four people doing their first hour with the weight of being a Billy T nominee on their shoulders. You’ve got audiences who are crossing their arms and waiting to be blown away. They want to see the next Rose Matafeo, the next Rhys Mathewson, the next Ben Hurley, the next big thing.

It’s a weight that few of the nominees can shoulder – hell, it’s a huge weight for any comedian to shoulder. These are newcomers to the industry, simply put. It’s a huge jump to go from six minutes of solid material, which all of them had at the Billy T Jams, to an hour of structured comedy – and to do that while trying to define and refine your voice and style at the same time. I can see how some of these comedians would have done a great showcase, how some of them would have pitched well and how they fulfill the subjective criteria outlined. But those things don’t necessarily translate to an hour of amazing comedy.

I’m not saying this was an undeserving set of nominees – that does nobody any help – but this set of nominees looked different from the past few years. It felt different. I’ve only been following comedy for the past five years, a period in which the Billy T was dominated by comedians who were very much within my venn diagram of taste. And as that generation of comedians moves past their newcomer phase, a new wave of comedians has come into fill their shoes, in an industry where stage time is increasingly scarce, and so are the opportunities to define and refine your voice, your style and even your material.

The industry is changing, and the nominees are changing, but the meaning and weight of the Billy T Award remains the same.

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oes that mean we need to re-define what the Billy T Award is and what the Billy T Award means? Is it a newcomer award? Is it recognising young talent? Or is it giving people wings like Icarus and tossing them into the sun?

Angella Dravid is no Icarus. She’s the perfect Billy T winner for 2017. Dravid represents an industry that thinks bigger and thinks riskier than it ever has before. Even compared to David Correos last year, Dravid’s style of comedy opens herself up and finds the humour and the humanity in darkness. There’s a vulnerability and an openness to her that recalls the yellow towel wearer himself. She doesn’t feel like anybody we’ve ever seen before.

For my mind, that’s what the Billy T Award is, and should continue to be. It should be awarding the next person to change up New Zealand comedy.

There hasn’t been another Ewen Gilmour. There hasn’t been another Rose Matafeo. There hasn’t been another Hamish Parkinson.

And there sure as hell won’t be another Angella Dravid.

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ComedyMay 25, 2017

‘I don’t leave the door open for bullshit to come in’: A conversation with Urzila Carlson

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Urzila Carlson is straight up the biggest comedian in the country today. Spinoff Comedy co-editor Sam Brooks talks to her about how she got so good at being funny.

Sam Brooks: So you’re fucking excellent.

Urzila Carlson: Thank you!

How are you as good as you are? It’s like… you’re so good.

Thank you. I dunno, it’s just a lot of stage time I guess, and the more you work – I do a lot of festivals, so I get a lot of stage time. I literally just go running from one gig to the next to the next, so yeah. That’s it, that’s all I can say. You know, I think you can fake natural ability if you just work hard at it. That’s basically what it comes down to.

How do you think you became so mainstream and a big deal?

I think there was just a gap in the market. I think I hit at the right time, at the right angle, if you will, and there was a gap for just a mainstream comic.

Just this past week in Wellington, my gig was after these kids who were just amazing and could fucking swing on ropes and do all these weird acts and stuff, cause they have other skills than talking, but I have none of that!

I think there was just literally a gap for that and I sort of snuck in before the door closed. I mean it’s a revolving door, so it doesn’t ever properly close does it? There’s always room for more. And that’s the great thing about comedy, you know? Trends come and go. I was just lucky that whatever the hell I was talking about was going at that time. And I’m lucky that my fan base have stuck around and grown with me, which is nice. I have people that have been with me since my first show with Jarred Fell and Stephen Boyce in this building, when it was still the…what was it? The Wallace Arts Trust. (Editor’s Note: The building that is now Q Theatre used to host Pidgeon Tyre Distributors, the Auckland Citizens Advice Bureau and the Wallace Art Collection.)

Oh shit, really? Wow, That was ages ago.

No toilet, no nothing, and yeah, I think that was the last year it was a venue and that was our first show, our first festival show, and we had a triple bill and there’s still people coming who came to that first show, still coming to my shows, so it’s great.

What do you think about you resonates with a wide range of people, who just outright just love and adore you?

I don’t know. I said to someone recently, I think its relatability but also approachability.

How so?

People feel like they can just come and talk to me. You know? Like, my wife says I’m TOO approachable, like people just come up to me in the street and go “Can I have a hug?”, and I’m like “Yeah, sure”, and she goes “Don’t hug people on the street!”, and I’m like “Why not? That’s what they want!”

But also I think my material is just sort of observational shit, so it’s just whatever we all go though, or the majority goes through, and it’s sort of evolved. When I started I was single and then I met someone, and then we got married, and then we had a kid, it keeps growing, and I think a lot of people that come are sort of going through the same stuff, or will be going through the same stuff. And then some stuff is just flat out poo jokes.

Which works!

I think I’m that friend at the BBQ that’s had just enough to drink, that’s entertaining. I’m that person. And I don’t pick on my audience. So I don’t necessarily know if they like my comedy, or maybe they’re 50% there, but they say “Fuck it, she’s not going to pick on me so that puts me 80% there.” I have the skill set, I just don’t do it.

But I think that puts people at ease. They go “We can just go out and have a laugh and not worry about what she’s going to do.” I think that’s my thing, I hope that’s my thing.

How does your comedy translate in other countries? How do you find the audiences respond?

You know how they go “The Kiwi humour” or “The Australian humour” or “The South African humour”, everybody’s got their own. They go, “Will it translate?” And you know, some stuff I don’t know if it will work in other countries, but literally it’s only regional stuff. Stuff like taking the piss out of Paula Bennett or any politician, of course you can’t use that, but the rest of it you can. Because every country in the world, except for maybe Russia and Germany, they all go: “We just want to have a laugh at ourselves, were pretty good at taking the piss out of ourselves.”

So all comedy, as long as it talks about the human condition and the frustrations we all feel, it reaches people. Comedy, I think, is universal, it works everywhere, that’s why you get Ismo (Leikola) and he comes over from Finland and he’s just fucking amazing, so obviously their humour is like our humour because he doesn’t write a whole new hour just for us. And it’s the same with me, I go to Australia all the time and I don’t write a new hour just for them, I just talk about the human condition.

It’s the same as when the shit hits the fan, like when the earthquake hit Christchurch, or with the bushfires in Australia or the tsunami in Japan, the world leaders all come out and go: “We will come back from this, we are resilient people, we will rebuild.” Because no leader ever comes out and goes: “We’re fucked, we’ve got nothing, we don’t know where we’re going with this.”

And it’s the same with humour: we all do that same thing with a joke, where we just like to have laugh at ourselves. It translates. Laughter is universal.

That makes heaps of sense.

Yes, but with the exception of Germans and Russians. I don’t know how much they laugh at themselves.

For someone who’s so “othered” in heaps of ways, to make it big, and to make it here, it means so much. And that’s a comment and not a question!

But it says heaps about how much people in this country can accept difference and accept someone who is not near themselves, which is fucking amazing. And that is also a comment and not a question.

I want to comment on your comment. Because a lot of people have asked if I find it intimidating to talk about anything from my sexuality to our lost baby, and I go “Nah”. Because I think if you just celebrate whatever your ‘thing’ is, then people almost get to a point where they think it’s too awkward to judge that person for it because they are happy about it.

So I just talk about whatever goes on in my life like it’s not an issue. Because it’s not an issue for me, so if there’s an issue that comes into it, it’s your issue, not mine.

Absolutely.

So I don’t leave the door open for bullshit to come in. Like people go: “Have you ever had any sexism or homophobia?” or whatever. I go: “If it was there, I didn’t notice, cause I just don’t give an egg.” If you don’t address it, and you just go, “Fuck off, that’s not for me” then people can’t bring that shit to you.

Yeah. Fuck, that’s so cool. How do you bring all that mental headspace into an hour of standup?

Well, I’ve been writing a new hour since 2009. Every year I write a brand new hour and every year I think, ‘That’s my last hour, I’ve got nothing left to joke about.’ But then every year more stuff happens and every year you can observe so many things.

So, number 1: Because it’s overwhelming to write an hour-long show, some of the other comics go: “Don’t look at it as an hour, look at it as writing four 15 minute bits.” Because its a lot more achievable to go: “Ok, I’m doing The Classic, I’m doing an open mic night or Big Wednesday or whatever, I’m going to work in 15 minutes of new stuff. Or 5 minutes, 5 minutes, 5 minutes, over three weeks in a row” …BOOM! You’ve got 15 minutes.

So you just do that, but you do four 15 minute slots, and you’ve got a lot more room when you have an hour to just have a conversation with the audience. I find that if I just approach it as if it’s a conversation, a funny one, but it’s a conversation, then I don’t feel overwhelmed. I don’t go, “Christ, I have to come up with a whole hour, these people are looking at me to make them laugh for a whole hour,” like, you can have conversations with your family members for an hour that are funny!

Oh yeah, easy.

So just take it from that approach.

Nothing makes me more nervous then when people say, “Tell me a joke.” I go, “Ugh, I don’t have any jokes, I don’t know jokes!”, because it’s just one story.

My approach is always honesty first. Like, if anything goes on, I just tell the audience that something has happened. I just tell them my story and hope that they laugh. And if they don’t, I go, “Don’t talk about it.”

“If you enjoyed it, tell everyone, if you didn’t – shut your mouth.”

Urzila Carlson is touring the country! You can check when she’s coming to your city right here.