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InternetDecember 23, 2021

Why Discord could be the future of the social internet

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When an app for gamers goes mainstream, it raises as many possibilities as it does problems. For IRL, Shanti Mathias explores the pros and cons of Discord servers.

It might be the only way to know what your favourite influencer is up to, or the best bet for reviving the groupchat in lockdown. The app Discord was originally designed for gamers to coordinate attacks on enemy castles, or whatever it is that gamers do. Now, though, the platform has over a hundred million users around the world, who use it for everything from communicating with friends to, uh, communicating with Nazi friends

Discord works like this: as an individual user, you can send direct messages to other users, as well as call or video chat with them. You can also create or join servers, virtual “rooms” multiple people can occupy, which can be separated into further sub-categories with functionality similar to workspace app Slack

Because it was initially designed for use while gaming, the screen-share function is particularly smooth, ideal for a group movie night or game of Among Us. “If you look at the branding and marketing, [Discord] has gone from the place for gamers to the place for anybody,” says Kevin Veale, a lecturer in media studies at Massey University. While Discord declined to give The Spinoff user numbers for Aotearoa, the app is widely used among gaming communities and others – the r/New Zealand server has 4500 users alone. 

But the advantages of Discord don’t just work for gamers. The platform’s design is ideal for everyone from drug dealers to university clubs. This is an example of the adaptability of social media, says Veale, reeling off a few examples – people who used World of Warcraft as a chat room, or saving on SMS fees by taking pictures and adding text.

Shit You Should Care About co-founder Lucy Blakiston (Image: Liv Mercer)

Lucy Blakiston, one of the minds behind popular current affairs Instagram Shit You Should Care About (SYSCA), is one of the people who have adopted Discord. Until recently, she ran a Discord server with over 11,000 members of the SYSCA community. “Discord is a big group chat where everyone gets to be in this fun and quite organised space,” she says. She initially used Discord for a book club, but then expanded her server to have channels for discussing everything from mental health to cooking.

In some ways, the SYSCA Discord achieved its purpose: it was a space for interaction in a smaller community than SYSCA’s 3.4 million Instagram followers. Eventually, however, the amount of energy and attention maintaining the Discord required became a distraction from SYSCA’s core purpose of making news accessible, and the team closed the server earlier this month. 

The prevalence of Discord speaks to a wider internet trend: the tendency of users to shift from the intensity of public social media platforms and gravitate more to smaller, private groups. On Facebook, for instance, the best and worst of the platform takes place in private groups, not the decontextualised flow of the news feed. Once, there was hours of entertainment to be had in scrolling thousands of posts down to the bottom of your crush’s Instagram feed, or exploring the archives of a new friend’s Tumblr. Now, the juicy stuff is either ephemeral (Instagram Stories) or unsearchable (Discord servers). 

Discord has gone from ‘the place for gamers to the place for anybody’, says Kevin Veale, a lecturer in media studies at Massey (Photo: Supplied)

Occasionally, the internet is still spoken about in terms of community and possibility, usually when mega-corporations are trying to promote a bizarre new product. The barriers to entry on certain platforms – Patreon and OnlyFans require users to pay, for example, and Discord servers and Telegram channels require a link for access – seem to go against this ethos.

For Veale, however, a career in studying media is a reminder that time – and the internet – is a circle. He remembers people running their own gaming servers and IRC channels. “[The internet] began as niche and focused and atomised and private,” he says, reminiscing about long-gone niche website forums or defunct social platforms like Dreamwidth. It was the newer social platforms like Facebook and Twitter that were unusual in their public interfaces, bringing people from different communities together.

But while closed or niche groups were common in earlier internet eras, and may have shared some functionality with Discord today, there is a crucial difference: forums are searchable. “It’s useful for [organisations] to have a Discord, it takes the load off them, but it’s harder to find and it’s not searchable,” Veale says. The low profile of Discord, especially to non-users, is partially because there is no way to stumble upon a Discord server while searching the internet, the way you can with most Reddit posts or help forums. To join a Discord server you have to be given the link, although some can be found on server indexes.

The privacy of closed Discord groups doesn’t just challenge ideas about the open internet. It also creates problems with moderation: how do you control what people say in private groups? The anonymity of the app exacerbates this, as most people use aliases and there is little personal information about the people you’re interacting with on the other side of the screen. It’s a challenge Discord has come up against, especially as the app has been implicated in far-right extremist violence.

“I had never used Discord and I knew it needed moderation,” Blakiston says of the SYSCA server. “With [discussing] politics and world events, it gets quite heated.” Using a Google Form, Blakiston recruited moderators from around the world, so that there would be people in each timezone. “I have so much respect for [the moderators] because they can manage a community and code and be extremely online and be so happy to be there,” she continues. While the group had no major issues, she had to veto ideas like having a group movie night via a voice chat due to the challenge of moderating voice.  

With sensitive topics like grief and mental health being discussed on the SYSCA server, the moderators, who were volunteers, kept the community positive. But good moderation required more time and attention than the SYSCA team could provide, so Blakiston made the call to close the SYSCA server “while it was still good”. 

“Discord gives users the tools they need to stay safe,” said a Discord spokesperson when reached for comment. The platform has clamped down on extremist activity and has strictly enforced community guidelines. Server administrators have the ability to block or remove people from servers if harassment becomes a problem. The company also runs a “moderator academy” to train people to become official moderators, as well as having a full-time trust and safety team who “proactively take additional safety measures based on wider platform trends or intelligence they receive, ensuring that Discord remains a safe and positive place”.

“The biggest problem with Discord is [that some] people don’t want to moderate.” says Veale, who has studied online harassment. “If you have a white supremacist community that’s flying under the radar, giving them tools to look after themselves isn’t going to help anyone.” He finds it particularly concerning when a private Discord group is used to coordinate hate on other social platforms. 

Blakiston has observed the same thing. “It’s scary … when these underground Telegram or Discord groups get their niche communities that back each other up and start infiltrating [others],” she says. 

Discord, with its many features and functions, is an ideal platform in many ways for creating community, when the more public platforms often subsume individual voices and substantive discussions in the wash of constant content. For the most part, it’s used not by big groups but by smaller sets of people who may even know each other IRL to socialise online. 

What does it look like to create a digital community where all people are welcome and everyone’s voice matters? This is a key question of the contemporary internet, and relay chats, blogging, and Discord are different responses. Building community was Blakiston’s hope when she set up her server. “It’s good for making people feel heard and seen,” she says. 

To make people welcome, though, requires both openness and privacy, ways to prevent the harassment that becomes easier without in-person interaction. Blakiston can imagine using Discord again in the future for niche purposes. For now, though, she’s closing the Discord chapter of SYSCA. She sighs, reflecting, chat bubbles and memes and the startling vulnerability of internet strangers still scrolling in her mind. “It’s been such a ride.”

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InternetDecember 21, 2021

Meet the women banned from Tinder

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It takes only one report to shut down a Tinder account. For IRL, Josie Adams speaks to women who feel they’ve been unjustifiably banned from dating apps.

In May of 2018, my time as a Tinder user came to an end. I hadn’t found love, and wouldn’t give up on finding it for a few more years. I was banned.

I wasn’t banned for harassment, nudity, or threats of violence. I was banned for “promotion or solicitation”, ie putting my bank account details in my bio. I made $80 in four hours before someone finally reported me. At least there was a good reason to ban me; I’d actually made money off the app, which is against the rules. But many others, it seems, are banned not just without financial compensation, but also without just cause.

Mary, a Wellington-based communications manager, has been banned six times. The repetition is not because she’s ever managed to get unbanned; she’s just hell-bent on using the app. “You just gotta find a system to work around it,” she says. “I like burner phones and $2 sim cards.”

“I get banned over and over again. Even when I paid once [for premium], I still managed to get banned.”

But why? Was she sending nudes? Using hate speech? No – she just wasn’t replying as quickly as some guys liked. “Tinder can get pretty hectic when you’re messaging 3,000 people in a couple of weeks,” she says, not intending to boast. She describes herself as entering her “filthy 40s”. “People have reported me because I didn’t get back to them, and I always find it quite funny.”

She’s been stalked, had people steal her identity, and had matches follow her to Instagram (her Instagram account was also, subsequently, reported and shut down). But she’s been banned from Tinder more than most, for the simple crime of not replying to a message, or even just continuing to exist after a break-up: “One of my exes has seen me on there twice and he’s reported me.”

Her current profile is basically a parody account; the only image of herself on it has her wearing a balaclava over her face. She’s still very successful. “I’ve had it for about a month and I’ve got about 1,700 matches.”

“I usually get about three or four dates out of an account before it gets banned.”

Helen, a 21-year-old administration assistant, was banned a couple of years ago and still doesn’t know exactly why. She has a theory: “A guy asked for my Snapchat and I said ‘no, I don’t really give that out’.” He was banned soon after – not because of her – and then popped up a couple of days later with a new profile. He asked for her Snapchat again, and she said no again. “Literally 10 minutes after that interaction, I was gone.”

She assumes it was him, but admits she could also have been reported for having an image of internet celebrity Trisha Paytas on her profile, “the one where she’s lying naked on her bed eating pizza”. This could be construed as a breach of the rules around “impersonation”

When she changed her phone number a year later, she realised she could have another go on the app. She was banned again. “The second time it hurt more because I didn’t know why it happened,” she says. “I think it was because one of my exes saw me. But it could also have been because I’m too hot and Tinder thought I was a bot.”

Mary, a Wellington-based communications manager, has been banned from Tinder six times (Images: Supplied)

But Tinder isn’t the only dating app out there. Georgie, a 34-year-old student, was banned from Bumble. “I joined Bumble because I liked the idea of the woman being in control of the conversation,” she says. So she’d start chats with guys who looked promising, only to be disappointed. “I was sick of being abused for calling out their behaviour, or asked for pics after I initiated conversation.” So, after receiving unsolicited dick pics, she turned the guys’ behaviour around on them. “The first guy I messaged back something along the lines of ‘is that a child’s penis? Why are you sending me a child’s penis?’” she remembers. “Then I got my second dick pic about 30 minutes after that.

“Every dick pic I’d get, I’d respond with the penis of the previous person,” says. “Even though I made sure you couldn’t identify the person in the pictures, the boys didn’t like it and I got reported too many times.

“They really need to get a sense of humour. Smile a bit more, am I right?”

All in all she sent about four dick pics, and was banned about a week after sending the first. “I tried to log in one day and got the message that I’d breached their community guidelines,” she says. She’s never tried to appeal the ban.

“I never reported anyone. I should have but figured nothing was gonna happen to them anyway.”

Tina, a 26-year-old graphic designer, had a solid two years on the Auckland dating app scene before being booted off two in one day: Tinder and Hinge. “I tried to log in because I wanted some attention and whatnot, and it just said ‘your account has been banned’. What the fuck?”

She insists her behaviour was always wonderful on the apps. “The worst thing I did was maybe not reply,” she says.

“I’m not on Tinder all the time. I come back to get some attention and I’m banned? You’re not even gonna give me a reason? I need to understand.”

There was a link to appeal the ban, but after giving the process a scan she gave up. It was too much work.

She admits there was probably a reason to ban her from Tinder: “I had a ‘smoking’ photo on my profile. I had some ‘smoking tools’.” But the fact she was banned from Tinder and Hinge (where she had no ‘smoking’ photo) at the same time suggests it might have been one double-apped agent, reporting her profiles. 

“Part of me thinks it might have been somebody I was talking to who I didn’t finish a conversation with. But I don’t really think anybody would invest in me that much.”

Tinder and Bumble say users can appeal bans, but women say it’s almost impossible to get a banned account back (Photo: Fabian Sommer/Picture Alliance via Getty Images)

A spokesperson for Tinder says the company takes reports seriously. “If a member contacts us to report any bad online or offline behaviour, our team carefully reviews the report and takes the necessary action to remove any inappropriate profile from our platform.”

If a member feels it was a wrongful ban, they can reach out to our member support team to ask for a second review.”

Bumble commented similarly, saying it takes reports seriously and investigates each one. While violating its community guidelines is the easiest way to get banned from the app, this isn’t the only tool in its arsenal: “We also remove people from the app due in large part to the safety measures we’ve implemented through AI and machine learning. These safety guards proactively capture bad behaviour to prevent further violations or harm,” says a spokesperson.

“Once a user is banned from Bumble, they cannot return unless there’s a special appeal case presented to our safety support team.”

However, the outcasts I speak with tell me it’s nigh on impossible to get an account back. “I emailed Tinder and they sent back an automated message,” says Helen. “I couldn’t get in touch with them. It seems like poor customer service, because a lot of women are being kicked off by shitty men.”

Some people see having swiped on everyone in their city as “winning Tinder”, but Mary thinks being kicked off the platform altogether is the real win.

“Getting banned is the ultimate end of the game, right?”

Did you meet the love of your life in a strange way online? Have you launched a novel internet career? Have you been catfished or scammed? If you’ve got a great yarn about the internet, get in touch with us at irl@thespinoff.co.nz.