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PoliticsSeptember 19, 2017

Lance O’Sullivan explains why he is running for the Māori Party in 2020

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After several years of flirting with the bloodsport we call politics, 2014 New Zealander of the Year Dr Lance O’Sullivan has entered the fracas, announcing he will run for the Māori Party in 2020. But why? And what does he stand for? Don Rowe finds out. 

When I profiled Dr Lance O’Sullivan last year he was one of the most eligible political bachelors on the market. Courted by the big dogs on both sides of the spectrum, he eventually endorsed the Māori Party, pissing off basically everyone on all sides including some in his support base.

“I think we, as Māori, also need to realise that compromise is a part of involvement in New Zealand politics,” he said at the time.

Now, a week out from Election 2017, he’s gone a step further than endorsement, announcing on Sunday afternoon his intention to run for parliament in 2020. “Fuar,” I said, before scuttling off to The Spinoff’s shower/interview room to ask for an explanation. It went mostly like this:

Screengrab: TVNZ

This really has been a matter of when, not if. But why the Māori Party? I imagine everyone has been sniffing around, so why them, and why now? 

Because I believe that in the history of New Zealand politics and government, the 2020 election is an opportunity to enable MMP to work its best for New Zealand.

What would it look like if we didn’t have red and blue, left and right, Labour and National, but instead we had a coalition of centrist parties that better reflects the multicoloured, multidimensional culture of New Zealand that we live in now? Because quite frankly the ideologies of the left and right are out of date. I think the time is right to disrupt things and the mechanisms are there to allow that to happen.

From another point of view, I believe a political party with Māori values underpinning it, which has the interest of all New Zealanders at heart, could be a very, very exciting party. I believe that the skeleton and the framework and the scaffolding is there and I think the Māori Party has done really well to demonstrate over the last nine years why MMP could work. The Māori Party has and will almost certainly always be a very well-aligned party for me.

It’s interesting that you say the left-right ideology is out of date because you’re a good example of that. So too with the Māori Party – they’re pragmatists at heart. They want to be in government, regardless of whether it’s a left or right leaning government, because that’s how you get legislation passed. Did you see that as an advantage?

Absolutely. In terms of the last nine years, minority parties have been able to effect change disproportionate to their size and that’s fantastic. That’s the benefit of MMP. A simple assessment here is that there are very credible aspects to what the National Party and the Labour Party bring, but you almost want to take a little bit of both and form something that is in the middle there, something that really reaches most people’s wants and desires. I’m keen to be a part of a Māori Party that is progressive and is looking at developing an enterprising and entrepreneurial spirit in New Zealand.

On the theme of pragmatism, I was at a hui in Ruatoki the other day that Te Ururoa Flavell was attending and it surprised me that his style of politics was very direct. He didn’t pull any punches.

There’s a sense of urgency that exists. I spoke to members of the Māori Party on Sunday, and I said that we need to be thinking of a 50-100 year strategy. It can’t be just about the next three, six, nine years, it should be about what we’re putting in place that will exist through the next 50-100 years. Then the question is: what does it take to achieve that? Realistically we need to be pragmatic and say ‘we’re not going to achieve everything in one term, it might take a few decades, but we have to be taking steps towards that’.

People have to accept that turning around 170 years of social and economic dislocation is not going to happen over one term. That’s where the pragmatism exists, but there’s also a level of urgency, which means there’s sort of a tension there. I think about poverty and we know that the drivers out of it, are jobs which create warm homes and are driven by better education outcomes. Those are generational things that will take time.

But I tell you what, I drive down the main street of Kaitaia, and I can tell you one thing that I could do that would immediately alleviate child poverty, and that’s to get rid our pokie machines from the six venues in Kaitaia. I’d stop the home shopping trucks that are just predators. I’d regulate these instant finance groups. I’d limit alcohol outlets in high-needs communities. You’ve got me on a roll.

Screengrab: Stop the Bus YouTube

Whose leadership style would you like to emulate? What sort of leader do you want to be in politics?

Someone who stays connected with the people. Someone who is sincere and authentic. Someone who knows how to bring people together for a common purpose and I guess someone who’s really open to change. I don’t want to be committed to doing things because they’ve always been done that way. Someone who is a risk taker. I think it’s a mix of local and global political leaders that have shaped my thinking and we’re talking both in government and community leaders over the years. I also feel like I bring my own inherent sense of leadership skills too.

What does a Māori perspective and Māori values bring to politics?

I think one thing, talking from a very authentic Māori platform, it would be a sense of manāki and ensuring that we don’t leave people behind. Being compassionate and generous and kind and caring. I mean that in an empowering way. Even from a service delivery point of view I think we waste a lot of money rocking up to people’s doorsteps before we’ve even engaged with them. They don’t want us there and so we’re not effecting the outcomes that we could be if we looked at it from a different angle. Part of that goes into the idea of self-determination, tino rangitiratanga. In my opinion we don’t ask people often enough what the actual problem is, and how they could solve that for themselves.

The 15-year-olds of today should be being prepared to vote in 2020. That’s how you drive engagement. We pay lip service to the idea of self determination but we don’t give people the tools to actually make the most of it.

Then there’s the idea of aroha, and we talk about it very much along the line of love, absolute care and dedication, and that’s really underpinned my profession and my life to date. I wouldn’t go into this because I love 80 hour weeks and never seeing my family, and I’m in for a lot of grief and a lot of criticism – [but] I would make sacrifices because I believe other people should enjoy some of the benefits of the country that I have.

Having said that, I also believe that a country like ours should recognise the value in people like me and the journey I’ve had, because not recognising that value really denies our country the opportunity for leaders. If I didn’t have the support of this country through the welfare state, and a Māori-specific education that allowed me to flourish where the mainstream system didn’t, I wouldn’t have been able to become someone who has a lot to offer. That’s an example of investing in our vulnerable, and it’s the right thing to do. And not only is it right, but the rewards for us as a country would be huge.

Do you see your announcement having an impact on the election this weekend?

My position is that this election – because I’m committed to providing a contribution to the country through the political process in 2020 – there’s an opportunity here for voters to ensure that the Māori Party is in a healthy state moving forward, rather than one that needs resuscitation. That’d be a great kick-start for people like me and some other high-calibre candidates I’ve spoken to in the last 12 months. So I’m encouraging people to consider that when they vote this weekend.

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Jacinda Ardern and her college friend Colleen in Whanganui. Photo: Toby Manhire
Jacinda Ardern and her college friend Colleen in Whanganui. Photo: Toby Manhire

PoliticsSeptember 19, 2017

‘My final, final plea’: a day in Whanganui with Jacinda Ardern

Jacinda Ardern and her college friend Colleen in Whanganui. Photo: Toby Manhire
Jacinda Ardern and her college friend Colleen in Whanganui. Photo: Toby Manhire

Five days out from the election, is the Jacinda effect still alive? As farmers protest in Morrinsville amid talk of a rural-urban divide, Toby Manhire joins the Labour leader on the trail in Whanganui.

Jacinda Ardern is up the front, in 1C. On a big plane, it’s a posh seat – but there are no posh seats on the 30-seater turboprop to Whanganui, and the Air Chathams cabin attendant wants to know if she’s happy sitting by the emergency exit, and whether she is familiar with the procedure in case of an accident. Unlike the rest of us, the leader of the Labour Party can’t simply lie and say yes, not with Lloyd Burr from Newshub sitting directly behind her. So she scans the operational information and nods. “OK,” says the attendant. “Let’s do this.”

What we’re doing is departing Auckland for a day’s campaigning in the River City, in an electorate that is something of a bellwether. If the rejuvenated Labour Party were to take Whanganui, a seat being vacated by National’s Chester Burrows, who has held it since 2005, that would suggest the Ardern tide has proved strong enough to change the government.

The man in 4C, wearing a Kathmandu beanie with the label still attached, deadpans to his neighbour, “I hope we’re not going to Morrinsville.” We’re not, but that’s where the story is – the ground zero of the so-called “rural-urban divide”, with farmers gathering, pointedly in Ardern’s home town, to vent their anger against Labour’s water tax policy and to jeer Winston Peters as he bloviates beneath an enormous fibreglass cow. We’ve also left the other story of the day behind at Auckland airport, where planes and passengers are stranded by a jet fuel shortage.

Furious farmers and a fuel crisis – an almost nostalgic, late ‘70s pair of stories – will dominate Ardern’s media stand-up later in the day. Probably there are talking points laid out in the ‘Leader of the Opposition Briefing Notes’ that Ardern flicks through on the plane. “Shortly we’ll be coming around the cabin with complimentary tea, coffee and water,” announces the attendant over the crackly PA. “And some Tim Tam biscuits.”

“Tim Tams!” says the leader of the opposition.

Selfies at Whanganui City College. Photo: Toby Manhire

The Labour leader’s day of campaigning, five days out, begins with a student welcome in the assembly hall at Whanganui City College. Steph Lewis, Labour’s 29-year-old candidate in the electorate, is there, and her name is on the dux honours board, too. “I wasn’t dux,” says Ardern, who chooses not to mention that she was student rep on the Board of Trustees at Morrinsville College.

The school’s principal, Peter Kaua, tellingly welcomes Ardern by relating a joke from John Key, when he visited the school as opposition leader. “There was a huge gust of wind and he didn’t miss a beat. He said, ‘the winds of change are nigh’. And there could be changing winds for you, too.”

The students, glancing suspiciously at the media huddled to the side, pitch a bunch of smart questions, everything from plastic bags to options for young Māori, even something on fiscal responsibility. Ardern keeps the energy up, drops a joke or two in, though sometimes drifts off into wonk-speak – listing numbers in the billions that mean nothing to people and beginning sentences with the dreaded words, “what we’ve said is”.

“What do you think about National’s ad campaign about tax?” asks one student. “How do you handle that, professionally?”

“Professionally!” says Ardern. “That’s a good caveat you put on that question. Um, look, obviously election campaigns are pretty robust. There’s a lot at stake. We both care a lot about what we’re campaigning about. My frustration is just making sure that we’re campaigning on things that are truthful and sometimes I’ve seen ads that have said things that just aren’t true. So that is frustrating. But, you know, this is politics. I just really wanted to run a really positive campaign.”

Another student asks: “Do you see yourself as prime minister in the future?”

“I’m hoping to do it by Saturday,” she says, to a wave of laughter. “Not the distant future. Five days, actually.”

On a tour of the school, a handful of students manoeuvre to grab a photo with their guest. “Jacinda is great,” says one. Do you know who the last leader of the Labour Party was? “Nup.”

Jacinda Ardern in Majestic Square. Photo: Toby Manhire

At Ardern’s side in the assembly hall is Annette King, who is lauded by the new Labour leader as the longest serving woman in parliament. King is manifestly invigorated, and has been at Ardern’s elbow for most of the campaign. Doesn’t part of her wish she hadn’t decided to stand down, I ask her as we wander from the school and towards the centre of Whanganui.

“No. No, not at all.”

Not even a bit?

“No, I made the decision and it was the right decision.”

What’s her role on the Ardern campaign trail?

“I’m the official support crew.”

The chaperone?

“Chaperone! I go up and stand there and move things on. She gets crowded, surrounded by people.”

You’re the consigliere?

“Ooh, I like that. Except it sounds a bit like something from the mafia.”

Jacinda ARdern and Colleen Garrett. Photo: Toby Manhire

Surrounded by a bevy of Labour T-shirted supporters, Ardern walks down Victoria Avenue. The sun has come out after a hailstorm, and there are waves and toots of support along Whanganui’s main street. The first person Ardern meets as she turns into Majestic Square, the base of a pancake of layers down from the grand old Sarjeant Gallery, is Colleen Garrett (“double L, double E, double R, double T”), who embraces he fellow former pupil from Morrinsville College.

“We were best buddies in the school production, Driftwood. It was a really good show.”

Did she seem destined to scale the political heights then?

“When she went on a visit to the Beehive, and came back to the college to give a speech about it, I just knew she was going to be the PM one day. She was excited. It was in her, you know? That speech just basically told me: You’re going to be PM one day. She was excited. You could hear the excitement in her voice.”

Garrett long since left Morrinsville and settled in Whanganui, where she’s bought a house, but still has friends and family in the Waikato town. She doesn’t know about the farmers’ protest, though. “That just sounds pretty stupid.”

There’s a big turnout for Ardern’s public appearance – as many as 500, according to the Wanganui Chronicle, which will document her visit the next day with the front-page headline “Ardent fans out in force”. As the woman dubbed “stardust” by Bill English showers the crowd with hugs and handshakes and selfies, I bump into the city’s mayor, Hamish McDouall, whose CV includes victories in TV contests Mastermind and Sale of the Century as well as three unsuccessful bids as Labour candidate for the seat of Whanganui.

At the rally. Photo: Toby Manhire

And it turns out he’s also related to the leader of the opposition. “She’s my second cousin. We only worked it out four or five years ago, when my sister was doing some genealogy and mentioned this matriarch of our family, Queenie, and said, What was Queenie’s maiden name? I had no idea and she said it was Ardern and there it was.”

Does he regret not being the Labour candidate, being part of all this? “Not really. I’m pretty happy.”

Not even a bit?

“If it is it’s a very small part because my political decisions were made around family. If there’s any regret it’s that I won’t be part of the next government, but that’s only small.”

There’s been talk of a youthquake, but one of the striking things about the crowd here – to be fair, it is the middle of a working day – is the number of older people. One elderly gentlemen approaches Ardern, clasping something into her palm and whispering in her ear.

The youngest person at the rally, seven-week-old Eva, and her mother, Labour’s candidate for Rangitikei, Heather Warren. Photo: Toby Manhire

What was that, I ask him, some kind of written note, a keepsake? Fred Rose – aka Tarzan – hands me his business card, and introduces his wife, Lorna (Jane). The couple, in their 80s, are confident of a victory under Ardern. Rose crosses her fingers. Ardern could make New Zealand appealing again, she reckons. “Cousins, children, they’ve all gone to Australia.”

Fred thinks the campaign messages could be better, and he scrawls a list on the back of the card. “They need to say New Zealand is a place to be proud of,” he says. That, and stressing the fact that public debt has increased under National. And something about Comalco that I failed to properly understand.

While the now familiar waves of Ardern-inspired energy are obvious here, there’s also something else in the air: a trepidation. So close, yet so far. Can she do it, I ask one woman leaning over a rail on the periphery as Ardern speaks on the bandstand. “Yeah. I think so. I think so. I think so,” she says, as if trying to persuade herself.

This is Ardern’s stump speech, regional edition: emphasising housing, pledging to match National’s funding for the local velodrome, as well as to put $3 million into rejuvenating the port. She speaks fluently and without notes, with a sprinkling of jokes and the obligatory Norman Kirk name checks.

“I commit now: when I am prime minister, I will work alongside local government, local people, to answer the problems that exist in our regions. And I can tell you it will be even easier here, because I’ll just be catching up with my cuz.”

That gets a laugh, and applause, out of which Ardern says, “So my final, final plea: we have five days. Five days till we can change the history of New Zealand. Five days for you to use your voice. Please, make sure you go out and vote early.” And Ardern has clearly resolved one issue she’s wavered on – which words in the catchcry to emphasise. Now it’s all three. “together we can do this, so let’s. Do. This.”

In the media stand-up on the bandstand stage, most of the questions are about another town, four and a half hours drive north. Farmers are protesting in Morrinsville. Is there an urban-rural divide? “No. No there’s not, and as I have been reiterating throughout this campaign I believe New Zealanders are united behind the issues that we need to tackled. United behind cleaning up our rivers. United around ending homelessness. United around having a better health system.”

OK, but what about the urban-rural divide? “My focus has been talking about my background, where I’ve grown up. I know that there are plenty of farmers who are environmentalists and want to see us cleaning up our rivers…

“Having grown up in Morrinsville, I’ve always known that there are people who take a different view when it comes to politics, and obviously that still continues. It doesn’t surprise me. But I also know I do have some home support, too. My ultimate goal is as prime minister to unite us behind the cause of making sure our rivers are clean.”

What does she make of the sign at the Morrinsville protest that reads ‘She’s a Pretty Communist’, asks the glint-eyed Lloyd Burr from Newshub. She responds with a laugh that morphs into a sigh. “Yeah, that’s what I make of that… I’m a pretty communist? Do they intend that to be a compliment or an insult? I’m not entirely sure.”

Lunch at the RSA is in the dining room out the front, with tables squeezed together surrounded by paintings of fallen heroes, tanks and poppies, temporarily joined by Labour signage. Ardern and King sit across from one another, deep in conversation.

Steph Lewis is chatting with a table of supporters about important local issues including the relative merit of the two kinds of fish pie in the buffet. What difference has the Ardern effect had upon Lewis’s campaign? “There has been fresh energy. People were sad to see Andrew Little go – he was the buddy MP for this seat, but it’s been great.” Their latest internal poll, she says, showed the National candidate Harete Hipango with a lead of less than 1.5 percentage points. “It’s going to be close.” Her pitch, in part, is that she represents, together with the new leader, “generational change”

One supporter has brought along a poster of Labour’s Wonder Woman. Ardern and King both sign it. What is King’s role? She’s an indispensable useful organiser, and “she also knows a huge amount.”

Annette King and Jacinda Ardern and some fan art at the Whanganui RSA. Photo: Toby Manhire

Like a kind of policy hard drive? “Yeah, like a hard drive. A second hard drive.”

Ardern has been handed a tiny baby – Eva, born prematurely to Labour’s candidate for Rangitikei, Heather Warren, seven weeks ago. “Don’t go getting clucky,” admonishes one elderly-adjacent woman in a Labour T-shirt as she wanders past. “We need you.”

The last stop of the day is an important encounter with one of the staples of New Zealand election campaigns: boats. We’re off to Castlecliff, and Q-West Boat Builders. The manager leads Ardern and the trailing press pack into the workshop, where repairs are under way on a boat called “Outer Limits”.

“I can take you up into the boat if you like,” the manager suggests to Ardern. She does not go up into the boat.

Jacinda Ardern and a boat. Photo: Toby Manhire

Ardern heads to the staff room, where about 30 workers in blue overalls stare impassively at their visitor. As the siren to signal the end of smoko sounds, she says, “I’ll talk really slowly and go as long as I can.” They don’t appear very interested in the speech, which emphasises that “whatever some people might say, we are not, not going to increase income tax”, but when Ardern travels around the tables, there are a series of detailed policy conversations, ranging from tax and regional economic development to refugee policy.

I get chatting to one of the boat building team. It’s the best job he’s ever had, he says, though they’re about to go through a stint without any big contracts which will mean employment contracts get ended. Has he decided which way to vote? “Yeah. I think after nine years of National it’s time for a change. So I looked around and I’m voting Labour. I don’t know if she’s got the experience, but hopefully she’s got the people around her who have.”

Over at the sink, Lloyd Burr from Newshub is doing the dishes.

Jacinda Ardern and Steph Lewis at Placemakers. Photo: Toby Manhire

There’s one last, impromptu visit to Placemakers before returning to the airport. Steph Lewis’s younger sister had wanted to meet Ardern, but couldn’t get away from work. There are hugs and photos, but the media have mostly had enough. 

As we walk back to the car I ask Lewis about the urban-regional divide. Does what happened in Morrinsville today denote a wider sentiment – in a seat like Whanganui, even a hint of that could be enough to destroy her chances.

“It’s not an issue,” Lewis says. “It’s not been an issue. I’ve had people up in Hawera, which has traditionally been a quite blue part of the electorate, where Chester’s had quite a stronghold, because that’s his home turf. I go up there wearing a bright red ‘Steph for Whanganui’ T-shirt, and I get waves and people tooting. We haven’t had anyone take down our signs up there. We’ve had a really fantastic reception up there… I think it’s been a bit trumped up, for want of a better term.”

Ardern hugs Lewis goodbye, whispering something into her ear, and climbs back into the silver crown car, back to the airport and 1C and all the responsibilities of the emergency exit.