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OPINIONPoliticsMarch 28, 2025

Is Tamatha Paul in ‘la-la land’? Here’s what the evidence says

A woman in a white shirt stands against a background featuring a repetitive police emblem with a crown, shield, and the word "POLICE." The image has a glitchy, digital effect.
Tamatha Paul (Image: The Spinoff)

Three criminologists explain how a history of negative experiences of policing will affect how some communities view the police – and it’s crucial that the opinions of these communities are heard. 

Over the last day, a media frenzy has erupted over Green Party MP for Wellington Central Tamatha Paul’s comments criticising the police. As criminologists at three of New Zealand’s major universities, this furore seems somewhat ridiculous to us. Paul argued that police beat patrols make some people feel unsafe, that the police have a history of discrimination, and that there are a number of tasks for which the police are not the appropriate responders. This prompted outrage from the government as well as the Labour Party, with various politicians claiming she was “ill-informed” and in “la la land”. The only problem with all of this is that, from a criminological perspective, Tamatha Paul is completely correct. 

Paul’s critique of policing was made at a university panel discussion, an event at which she was asked to share her constituents’ perspectives. Speaking for communities and sharing their opinions on issues that matter to them is literally the task of electorate MPs. That’s why we have them. Paul commented that police patrols, as visible expressions of the state’s coercive power, mean a different thing to the community she represents than they may mean to others. A history of negative experiences of policing will affect how communities view the police. Criminologists began collecting evidence that the New Zealand Police engaged in racist discrimination decades ago. Last year’s Understanding Police Delivery report, co-produced by researchers and the police themselves, affirmed that this discrimination continues into the present. Māori are around seven times more likely than Pākehā to be the victims of police violence. This reality affects how the communities Paul represents perceive the police. They, and she, have a right to share that perception. 

When politicians criticise Paul for sharing her constituents’ views of the police, they are attempting to render these opinions inexpressible. It’s worth considering whose voices get to be heard in public and whose voices are categorically dismissed. Research conducted in West Auckland showed that different communities held different opinions on policing. Pākehā communities were indeed found to support increased police patrols, but Māori and Pacific people overwhelmingly preferred other justice measures. When these populations are also those disproportionately targeted by the police, it is crucial that their opinions be heard. The conversation about justice policy cannot be a monocultural monologue. The people Paul is speaking for are part of the public too, and their opinions are at least as important as those of the business owners and politicians who have tried to shut them out. 

It is also crucial to remember that the NZ Police, as outlined in the Policing Bill 2007, is “an instrument of the Crown”. As instruments of the Crown – armed instruments of the Crown – the police must at the very least be held to high standards and challenged by the communities they purport to serve. They must also be responsive to the historical and present injustices perpetrated by their forces. Just this week, RNZ reported that an 11-year-old girl was handcuffed, taken to a mental health facility, and injected with powerful antipsychotics after police misidentified her as a 20-year-old. Paul mentions this horrific event and asserts the need for alternative non-police protocols for mental health callouts. Despite police minister Mark Mitchell dismissing Paul’s concerns as “laughable”, Mitchell himself said in July 2024 that police were not trained to respond to mental health callouts and the system of police response was “not working properly” for those experiencing mental distress. The entire parliamentary right appears to be united in ferocious condemnation of Paul for positions the police minister himself holds. 

Paul’s other concerns were sparked by community organisations reaching out to her with concerns about police confiscating homeless people’s few belongings. The dismissal of this claim despite it, again, being completely true – is cause for further concern about how the police and government are treating and responding to our most vulnerable populations. Paul’s key pointone that she has reiterated over the past day – is that “not everyone’s interactions [with the police] are the same”. This claim is indisputable. The discipline of criminology is founded on this fact. From repressive policing of Māori communities at Bastion Point, Rūātoki and Ihumātao, to racialised surveillance of young Māori in 2022, to the everyday violence of systemic racist discrimination, we see how policing maintains the racist oppression and class exploitation on which this country was founded. It’s never done anything else.

David Seymour asked if Tamatha Paul supported policing, or “some other world, and how would that work?” As criminologists, we say proudly that we support some world other than this one ruled by inequality, exploitation and injustice. The safe, healthy and thriving communities we all say that we want can only be achieved by addressing the root causes of insecurity. We must ensure that everyone’s needs are provided for. Expanding access to affordable housing, mental health support, youth development programmes and food to eat will do far more to prevent crime than just unleashing police patrols on the poor. 

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That Paul’s remarks, as well-evidenced and reasonable as they are, were met with such fervent opposition from four party leaders is deeply concerning, and reflects a broader shift towards rightwing populism. Four decades of neoliberal economic policy have made New Zealand a paradise for the rich and a nightmare for the poor – a place of tax breaks, benefit sanctions, holidays in Queenstown, and sleeping in gutters. There are policy choices that we could make to keep people warm, fed, housed and connected. New Zealand would be a better place, and a safer place, if we did. Tamatha Paul is being shouted down not because she said anything ridiculous, but because she said something sensible. This is not an ill-informed dream of some impossible world, but a world that almost exists – a world so possible that we could choose to call it into being. 

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OPINIONPoliticsMarch 27, 2025

Am I allowed to be scared of the police? An argument with myself

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Photos: Getty Images, supplied

Green MP Tamatha Paul was widely criticised for suggesting not everyone wants to see more police on the beat. Is that really such a crazy idea? Lyric Waiwiri-Smith argues with Lyric Waiwiri-Smith.

Comments made by Wellington Central MP Tamatha Paul that she had heard from “a lot” of her constituents in that they “do not want to see police officers everywhere” as “heaps of cops” make them “feel less safe” have copped flak from the police minister, the prime minister, the Act Party, Winston Peters, Chris Hipkins and various corners of social media comment sections.

But Paul’s police stance is definitely not the most insane take to have in 2025, especially taking into account the history of police violence, particularly against Māori.

Yes, seeing more police out and about provides a sense of comfort and safety to many people, even if they don’t actually see them doing anything – just their presence is enough to disquiet fears of being harmed. There are few other figures in this country with that ability.

On the other hand, there are also plenty of people who will see a group of police officers and feel the exact opposite. The anxiety bubbles in their chest, the dormant trauma they’ve stored in their body reawakens, they worry they will be targeted, they instantly feel guilty for simply being alive.

Someone does need to sort out all this bullshit though, right? Almost every day you walk down Manners Street and Te Aro Park and think to yourself, ‘shit, this place has gone to the dogs’. There’s drug abuse, verbal abuse, physical abuse … And then you go to work and read at least 15 horrific crime stories in the Herald.

Too right – sometimes I think I digest so much crime that it makes me feel genuinely depressed about the world, and I can’t be the only one. I also can’t help but notice when I walk down Manners Street that there’s a defunct community centre, and most others walking through there treat the streeties with a caution that is akin to contempt, like they’re an obvious problem that should be swiftly and quietly dealt with.

A history of being targeted by police means many Māori fear a police presence (Photo: Lyric Waiwiri-Smith)

It just makes me think that there could be a better way to deal with these things, you know? Like maybe we should be asking ourselves why these people are committing crimes and support them out of that cycle. It might also help if we start humanising these people in our minds and save a little bit of empathy, then we might be able to tackle these things at a community level.

Honestly, seeing more police on the beat just causes a bit of uneasiness for me, even though I know I’m not doing anything “wrong”. Are they looking at me? Am I about to walk into something dangerous? Who or what are they looking for? Will I see something I don’t want to see?

Girl, so true that getting to the source feels better, but we need to be realistic here. A lot of people are feeling unsafe, and you can’t immediately see the results from some kind of systemic overhaul. The police play a role for a reason. Isn’t a bandaid better than nothing at all?

But is it worth it if it comes at the expense of making already vulnerable people feel more vulnerable? Wait, I’m not the only one who feels scared by a police presence, right?

I mean, you’d be agreeing with Paul, and look where that has got her. I get it: you’re both young wāhine Māori who think of themselves as progressive, but aren’t you worried you’re victimising yourself a bit?

I think it speaks more to a collective Māori experience than us seeing ourselves as victims. Sure, David Seymour can accuse Paul of bringing “identity politics” into it all he likes, but it’s a fact that we have been disproportionately targeted by police.

Surely it’s not unreasonable for Paul to be sharing the concerns of constituents and for her to feel concerned about where police resourcing is going in her electorate, right? Police throwing away the few belongings of homeless people who are, well, homeless, doesn’t send a positive message about how those at the lowest levels of society are treated.

When I lived in Auckland …

Oh, here we go.

Yeah, forgive me. But when I lived in Auckland, more police on the beat genuinely did look to me like more homeless people were being approached for, well, being homeless. And then you sort of think to yourself, how are they supposed to pay the fine that’s been slapped on them, or show up to court? Do they end up like Dean Wickliffe?

Hey, at the end of the day, if you’re abusing substances or people, you’re committing a crime and you have to face the consequences. What if the day comes where you need to call the police?

That day has come and gone so many times that it’s not even funny! Burglaries, mental health episodes, violence … I can’t remember any of these cases being made better by a police presence also being there. Sometimes they’ve made things feel worse, but most times, it feels like they genuinely offered nothing at all.

What if the day comes when you reeeaalllyyy need their help, though?

Then I’ll put on the performance many Māori have learned to put on when talking to police: be respectful to the point of making yourself look small, be so self-conscious of your Māoriness that you try not to show it at all, agree with everything they say, do not do anything that makes yourself look even slightly suspicious.

So you admit it: you’re not really scared of all cops, are you?

I guess it’s kinda like when people tell me they can’t stand journalists and the world would be a better place without us in it. I’m like, ouch, not all journalists, we’re trying to provide a service to the public here. And then I remember the many times we’ve let the public down, too.

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