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Family First chief executive Bob McCoskrie, railing against a Victoria University study on paedophilia.
Family First chief executive Bob McCoskrie, railing against a Victoria University study on paedophilia.

OPINIONSocietySeptember 17, 2024

The many complex truths within the paedophilia study saga

Family First chief executive Bob McCoskrie, railing against a Victoria University study on paedophilia.
Family First chief executive Bob McCoskrie, railing against a Victoria University study on paedophilia.

Is Bob McCoskrie a righteous moral crusader? Deeply full of shit? Both? 

You may have missed the ongoing dust-up about a Victoria University study concerning paedophilia. The study explores “stigma and attitudes towards people with a sexual attraction to children”, according to a poster seeking participants, and aims to “understand societal views on paedophilia and was approved by its ethic processes,” deputy vice-chancellor Professor Margaret Hyland told The Post. The study requires participants to complete two surveys and four educational modules.

After being alerted to the poster, Family First chief executive Bob McCoskrie wrote a post on Substack criticising the study, then enrolled himself in it and exposed its contents on his video blog. He argued that the study “rebrands paedophiles as victims” and “normalises sexual attraction to children” through a process of “indoctrination”, “manipulation” and “linguistic gymnastics”. 

To support this claim, he singles out the following passages from the study’s education modules, among others: “Having a sexual attraction to children is not something that is chosen or controlled” and “Having a sexual attraction to children doesn’t mean anything other than just that – they have a sexual attraction to children.” (His full beef is set out here.) 

“The university stands behind [the study] and the researchers involved,” Hyland said.

In the spirit of our brand-new format, here are the complex and competing truths within the Victoria Uni paedophilia study saga:

Truth #1: Globally and in New Zealand, rates of child sex abuse are stubbornly high. More than one in four females (26%) and one in nine males (11%) said they experienced sexual abuse before age 15 in the 2019 New Zealand Family Violence Survey.

Truth #2: Our current approach to dealing with the problem of child sex abuse, centred on punishment rather than prevention and shrouded in shame, secrecy and denial, is not working. Any academic inquiry aimed at alleviating or solving the problem is an unalloyed good. 

Truth #3: In some corners of academia, including within the Victoria University study, there is a concerted effort to reduce the stigma associated with paedophilic desire, and to make it clearer that there is a difference between having a sexual attraction to children and acting on a sexual attraction to children. To do this, academics like US sociologist Allyn Walker propose we replace “paedophile” with language like “person with a sexual attraction to children” and “minor-attracted person (MAP)”. 

Truth #4: Critics like Bob McCoskrie argue that these terms sanitise and normalise paedophilia and child sex abuse. McCoskrie points out that some academics have argued that paedophilia is a sexual “orientation” or “preference” like homosexuality; that paedophilia is not a disorder and should be removed from the DSM5; that adults who have sexual contact with children and teenagers are not necessarily harming or abusing those children/teenagers; and that any harm resulting from adult-child sexual contact is because of the stigma surrounding the act, not the act itself.

Some of these academics are very fringe, others are not: Alfred Kinsey, one of the founders of the field of sexology, argued that children have a sexuality which is not harmed when it is used for adult gratification; Gayle Rubin, a pioneering feminist and queer theorist, claimed that “boy-lovers”, ie “men who love underaged youth”, are unfairly persecuted; and Michel Foucault, the influential philosopher, called the idea that a child cannot consent to sex with an adult “intolerable”

In other words, some academics want to not only reduce stigma against paedophilic sexual desire, but also against child sex offending

Truth #5: Many of the above cases are historic, and today child sex abuse apologists are likely a tiny minority of academics – the small number of galaxy-brained deviants and cranks you’ll reliably find in any large body of people – and do not represent a widespread conspiracy within academia, “elite circles” or elsewhere to normalise or promote the sexual abuse of children. These days, anyone making these arguments is often immediately fired, rejected and (sorry) “cancelled”. 

Truth #6: In the introduction to the first module, the Victoria University study says, “Some people with this attraction will sexually abuse a child, but not all will – however, bringing attention to this fact does not mean that this attraction should be normalised or that it doesn’t cause harm, nor that sexual abuse isn’t a serious and damaging experience. The researchers reject any attempt to normalise sexual attraction to children and any sexually abusive behaviours that have resulted from this attraction and intend only to educate our community about the attraction and encourage more open and frank discussions on the topic, in order to support help-seeking behaviours and ultimately reduce sexual abuse towards children in our society.”

Contents of the Victoria University study shared by Bob McCoskrie on his YouTube channel (underlining is McCoskrie’s).

Truth #7: It’s possible to draw a bright line between non-offending paedophiles and child sex offenders. 

Truth #8: Binaries – victim/offender, desire/action – are tricky and slippery. 

Truth #9: As a conservative estimate, 3-5% of the adult male population in New Zealand have experienced feelings of sexual attraction to a minor, clinical psychologist Sarah Christofferson told the Guardian

Truth #10: There is some evidence that shame and stigma prevent paedophiles from admitting to their desires and seeking help, driving them to online hinterlands to discuss their paedophilic desire only with people who share it, and experts who have studied this phenomenon claim it can make children less safe. 

Truth #11: Shame and stigma are amorphous, complex forces driving social behaviour in complicated, unclear ways. They are clearly strong forces preventing child sex offenders from acting in the open, and therefore prevent an untold and unmeasurable amount of abuse. How do you remove the stigma from paedophilic desire without softening the stigma attached to paedophilic action? It might not be possible. 

Truth #12: When academics talk about removing the stigma associated with paedophilic desire, I think of Chesterton’s Fence: the idea that, before you remove a fence (ie do away with a tradition, norm or taboo), you need to be sure you understand why it was built in the first place. Are we absolutely certain this is a fence we want to get rid of?

Truth #13: Child sex abuse causes real, serious, lasting harm for victims. 

Truth #14: There should be absolutely no stigma associated with being a victim of child sex abuse. Yet, victims often suffer from such stigma, both external and internal – it seems to bleed over from the stigma associated with the act itself, and can make healing for victims very difficult. 

Truth #15: Even among people who think about sexuality for a living, there are many competing theories about sexual desire, how it is formed, and how malleable and mimetic it might be – and the same is true for other murky epistemological terrains like shame, morality and free will. Therefore, we should consider claims that a sexual attraction to children “is not controllable”, as the Victoria University study states, and that “there is no morality or immorality attached to attraction to anyone, because no one can control who they’re attracted to at all”, as sociologist Allyn Walker said about paedophiles in 2021, as contestable.

Truth #16: It is difficult to solve a problem if you can’t talk about it. 

Truth #17: Some slopes really are slippery, and in this one woman’s opinion, certain debates we should just close the lid on forever. Do racial IQ gaps exist, were there upsides to fascism, is it ever OK to fuck kids: a lot of those galaxy-brained deviants I mentioned earlier are waiting with bated breath to argue the affirmative case, with chilling logic. They’re hard to spot in the wild, for obvious reasons, but you can glimpse them in “MAP” forums or in this video (from 12:07 on). They’ll prattle until the cows come home about “rights infringement”, pederasty in ancient Greece and boys from the Sambia tribe. That’s the Pandora’s box that opens when academics start “just asking questions” about paedophilia. 

Truth #18: No arguments of this nature appear in the Victoria University study materials presented by McCoskrie, or sighted by me (I am midway through participating in the study at the time of writing, to check the wording for myself.) 

Truth #19: The existence of child sex abuse apologists shouldn’t preclude open discussion on how to reduce child sex offending, including in academia. The creepy little tail doesn’t wag the dog.

Truth #20: Despite occasional media dust-ups on this topic, there is a robust consensus today, spanning the farthest reaches of the culture-war divide, that child sex abuse is always wrong; that any sexual contact between an adult and a child constitutes child sex abuse; that it causes real, serious, lasting harm for victims; and that paedophiles should be supported to ensure that their sexual desire towards children never manifests in sexual abuse.

Truth #21: I feel sick and vexed thinking about this, but also a little hopeful. The vast, vast majority of us seem to be on the same page.

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SocietySeptember 17, 2024

The cost of being: A public servant with a six-month-old baby and a quality coffee habit

As part of our series exploring how New Zealanders live and our relationship with money, a working parent shares the ins and outs of her finances.

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Gender: Female

Age: 32

Ethnicity: NZ European

Role: Principal adviser in the public service.

Salary/income/assets: $140,000. My husband usually earns $105,000 but he is currently on parental leave with payments finishing next week.

My living location is: Urban

Rent/mortgage per week: Mortgage repayments are currently $1,477 per fortnight. We need to refix half of our mortgage in July, coming off a 2.45% interest rate to 6%+, we imagine will increase payments by $300 a fortnight.

Student loan or other debt payments per week:$12,500 left on my student loan. It’s around $550 of my pay we don’t see every fortnight so it will be huge to have that extra money when it is paid off next year (right about the time we will need to start paying for childcare).

Typical weekly food costs

Groceries:$250 per week including nappies and formula for our six-month-old. Pre-baby we would usually spend $100ish per week and eat out more.

Eating out: $0

Takeaways: We’re a sucker for UberEats, especially with a baby zapping our energy/any will to cook! We try to limit to once per week usually around $70ish.

Workday lunches: $0

Cafe coffees/snacks: $30ish per week. I buy a coffee the two days a week I’m in the office. We try to go out for a coffee at least once a week as a family as well.

Other food costs:$40 per fortnight for Wonkybox vege delivery.

Savings: We’ve been putting money aside to cover our mortgage increase (around $400 per fortnight). $100 per fortnight goes into a managed fund. We try to save another $300-$400 per fortnight on top. Once parental leave payments end we will need to use savings to cover some of our expenses for the rest of the year.

I worry about money: Sometimes.

Three words to describe my financial situation: Fortunate, tight, manageable (just!).

My biggest edible indulgence would be: Coffee. We buy coffee out and buy good beans for at home.

In a typical week my alcohol expenditure would be:$0

In a typical week my transport expenditure would be: $60 for petrol.

I estimate in the past year the ballpark amount I spent on my personal clothing (including sleepwear and underwear) was: $50. A couple of dresses from Kmart for when I was a beached whale at nine months pregnant over summer. Other than that, covering baby costs have been our focus.

My most expensive clothing in the past year was: $30 for a dress.

My last pair of shoes cost: $90 for two pairs of black work shoes in a buy-one-get-one-free sale.

My grooming/beauty expenditure in a year is about: n/a

My exercise expenditure in a year is about: Currently $0. Planning to restart my gym membership postpartum which is approximately $100 a month.

My last Friday night cost: $0. With a six-month-old we don’t go out very often any more.

Most regrettable purchase in the last 12 months was: Spending hundreds on all sorts of products to support breastfeeding, infant sleep etc. The baby industry is huge and most of it is unnecessary!

Most indulgent purchase (that I don’t regret) in the last 12 months was: A quality stroller, capsule and carrycot system. It cost over $1,500 but has been one of the most useful things we’ve had this year.

One area where I’m a bit of a tightwad is: Supermarket shopping. Mum never bought the brand name items and I can never bring myself to either.

Five words to describe my financial personality would be: Constantly calculating, impulsive at times.

I grew up in a house where money was: Always carefully considered before spending. It took me a long time after leaving home to realise my parents were relatively well off. They just never talked about it, weren’t overly indulgent and always looked for bargains – all attributes that have left them in a strong financial position for retirement.

The last time my Eftpos card was declined was: Maybe while I was at university 10 years ago? I get anxious at the thought so always check my online banking before purchases.

In five years, in financial terms, I see myself: Better off than now. In a position to ensure our daughter gets the same opportunities I did as a kid.

I would love to have more money for: Travel. My siblings live overseas and it would be great to be able to visit.

Describe your financial low: About five years ago. Right after buying our house, we had a number of unforeseen expenses (health, car etc). Right when we were needing to pay a mortgage we suddenly had more money going out then coming in.

I give money away to: We have a fund that we put into fortnightly for our daughter. Undecided if we will give it to her when she is older for a house deposit or use it for things like braces, sports trips etc as she grows up.