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Pop CultureApril 4, 2023

1News vs Newshub: The battle of the Jacinda Ardern exit interviews

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Both the major 6 o’clock news bulletins got time with Jacinda Ardern tonight – but which interview made for better television? Alex Casey and Tara Ward assess. 

The night before she delivers her valedictory speech and leaves Parliament behind, former prime minister Jacinda Ardern gave her only two New Zealand exit interviews – one with 1News’ John Campbell, the other with Newshub’s Samantha Hayes. Although most people have two eyes, The Spinoff understands that most people cannot watch two channels at once, and therefore cannot easily compare and contrast the interviews without exerting a small yet precious amount of energy and time. 

So, in a public service akin to actually being the prime minister, we watched both interviews and tried to answer the most pressing and important question about Jacinda Ardern’s legacy: which exit interview was the better piece of television? Using a rigorous set of scientific metrics borrowed from Nasa and previous pieces we nicked this format from, let us crown the winner. 

Length of interview

1News: All over by 6.05pm. “You can catch more of John Campbell’s one on one interview with Jacinda Ardern on our website,” Simon Dallow told us from the 1News studio, but who visits websites in this day and age? It was back to business as usual on TVNZ1, and Dallow may as well have muttered “let’s do this” as he kicked into gear for the rest of the day’s news. 

Simon Dallow sits at the 1News desk, an image of Jacinda Ardern is in the background
Simon Dallow directs television viewers to a website

Newshub: Finished at 6.08pm with Sam Hayes doing a live cross from outside Parliament. She gave some extra details that didn’t make the interview, including the fact that Ardern was delighted to recently attend a five-year-old’s birthday party without having to worry about where to be next. No mention of the cake flavour or the goody bags. 

Winner: Newshub

Set dressing

1News: Sombre tones for a sombre interview. Behind Ardern was a variety of dark wooden furniture: a desk, a chair, perhaps even a credenza. The green curtains were pulled and to Ardern’s left was a large vase – red, of course, just as Michael Joseph Savage would have wanted – but no flowers inside. Ardern can buy herself flowers, write her own name in the sand now. Later, Ardern and Campbell took a stroll down a long corridor filled with the portraits of former New Zealand prime ministers in wooden frames. All in all, big wood vibes from 1News. 

John Campbell and Jacinda Ardern walk through parliament
Corridors of power and wood

Newshub: Much lighter and more optimistic palette, complete with some beautiful wall art behind both of our subjects. Hayes positioned herself in front of what looks to be a giant lily pad printed on the wall, whereas Ardern’s backdrop was a light peachy wall with grey accents, adorned with a colourful painting depicting what this scientist can only describe as figures. 

When they weren’t sitting down, cameras captured Hayes and Ardern fossicking about in her office, which made for dynamic and captivating scenes. Also appreciated this classic “behind the curtain” moment towards the end. Thoughts and prayers to this man:

There he is

Winner: 1News

Costume design

1News: A serious, dark blazer, because Ardern knows the winds of change are chilly. John Campbell also wore a lovely dark blazer, because he knows that fresh southerly coming off Wellington harbour can cut you right through the middle.

Image of Jacinda Ardern
Blaze(r) of glory

Newshub: What was perhaps slightly more thrilling than Ardern’s high neck, button up white blouse and delicate dangly gold earrings was the quick tour through the items of clothing she is donating to Te Papa. These included the jumper she wore after giving birth to Neve (“just a jumper”, she shrugged), the red jacket she wore when she was elected prime minister and the Kate Sylvester dress she wore when she was sworn in. Could quite easily have watched half an hour of just this. Sam Hayes wore a blue suit and red lipstick, assumedly for balance. 

Tonight, she’s cleaning out her closet

Winner: Newshub

Jokes

TVNZ: Zero. Not even a knock-knock joke. 

Newshub: No jokes or crack-up banter per se, but what is this small non-swaying kiwifruit if not a sumptuous joke for the eyes? 

Ha ha ha tamari almonds

Winner: Newshub

Tears

1News: None, not even from John Campbell. But there were moments when Ardern seemed understandably emotional, like when she reflected on hearing about the 2019 terror attacks and when she read John some letters she’d received from children. Those letters made her feel hopeful, Ardern said. “How did you make yourself feel?” Campbell asked her. “Tired,” Ardern whispered, giving a sad smile as tears welled in her eyes (or it may just have been the reflection off all that varnished wood). 

John Campbell and Jacinda Ardern stand together talking
Nope

Newshub: So so so so close. When Hayes asked Ardern what her parting words would be to the country tomorrow, our former leader’s bottom lip started to wobble and I was sure that Team Newshub would bring it home. “Thank you” she said, tears welling up in the corner of her eyes. “It’s emotional isn’t it?” whispered Hayes, coming off the top ropes. “Fifteen years of being here is just a privilege” said Ardern, still welling. Seconds later: composure. God she’s good. 

So close

Winner: Newshub

Hard-hitting questions

1News:  A couple of deep questions from JC. As he and Ardern stared at a portrait on her that had been left on the floor in some corridor inside parliament, Campbell asked Ardern what advice she would give the 2017 version of herself. “You can carry more than you think,” Ardern replied, although she may have been referring to the person who simply left her portrait there, evidently unable to carry it any further. 

Image of a portrait of Jacinda Ardern
Let’s do this

“Did you deliver on those aspirations, on those hopes, on those promises, in the areas where it was toughest?” Campbell asked later. “I believe I did,” Ardern said. “But I won’t miss the weight. Because it is heavy.” Don’t think she was talking about the portrait any more. 

Newshub: “Some may say you quit before you were voted out” was about as tough as it got, and it wasn’t even technically a question. Quite hard-hitting hand stance if you were watching without the sound on, mind you.

Winner: 1News

Throwback factor

1News: Very little nostalgia, other than the walk down prime minister memory lane. “She becomes history,” John Campbell said of Ardern, but this was also an interview about looking forward, particularly to Ardern’s next role with Prince William’s climate charity Earthshot. Ardern likes their focus on urgent optimism. I am urgently optimistic that someone will get Ardern’s portrait off the floor, ASAP. 

Newshub: Ardern cleaned out her office while the Newshub cameras were there, dazzling with her cabinet of curiosities that included various speeches and notes jotted down at pivotal moments during her career. Also included Neve’s UN lanyard, the first ever made for a baby. She appears to have major hoarding tendencies, but in this instance I think we can forgive.

Winner: Newshub

Overall winner

Thanks to the wardrobe tour, a hidden kiwifruit and a lengthier and more dynamic viewing experience, Newshub wins the battle of the Jacinda Ardern exit interviews. Congratulations to all involved.

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The mud at Splore (Photo: Supplied, additional design by Tina Tiller)
The mud at Splore (Photo: Supplied, additional design by Tina Tiller)

Pop CultureApril 4, 2023

The magical, the muddy and the mad: A summer of festival hopping

The mud at Splore (Photo: Supplied, additional design by Tina Tiller)
The mud at Splore (Photo: Supplied, additional design by Tina Tiller)

After attending five multi-day music and camping events in three months, Anke Richter gives us the lowdown from food to fashion to facilities – including a run-in with anti-vax lawyer Sue Grey. 

This summer, I became a festival hopper – not just because I love partying with hippies so much (I actually do!), but I also toured my workshop “How not to start a cult”. Despite my apprehension about alternative festivals where misinformation and conspiracy content had been circulating, I wanted to build bridges this year and leave the division of the pandemic behind. Mixing with people who are like-hearted felt more important than being like-minded. My mission didn’t quite end as planned though.   

The camping festivals I went to from south to north – Convergence, Kiwiburn, Splore, Relish and Earth Beat, in that order – weren’t any of the big mainstream music events but the kind where you can do yoga in the morning and catch a talk about plant medicine in the afternoon before dressing up for the dance floor. One gave me a headache beforehand, another one Covid afterwards, and all made me appreciate my own bathroom back home – as well as the tenacity of friends toughing it out together in terrible weather. 

Here’s my rundown of the good, the bad and the wet. 

My favourite

Relish, hands down – best kept secret of the south. If Kiwiburn and Convergence had a love child, that would be it. After it originated from a series of funerals (!) in Wānaka, this down-to-earth family-run operation has moved to a new site near Waimate where numbers are capped at 500. The working bees throughout the year are part of the fun. The nights turn into sparkly spectacles. At the heart of it all is the large tent kitchen where everyone cooks together. It’s one big rotating potluck party, and it works. 

Best organised

Splore. First time for me. So many stages and fancy decorated zones that run like a well-oiled machine. A plethora of volunteers show you were to camp or help to pull your van out of the mud. Last but not least, rubbish sorting teams “keep it cute”. Their message about dress-ups and cultural appropriation was also crystal clear: ditch the bindi and that native American headgear, white wellness person. 

Splore
Splore: a well-oiled machine (Photo: Supplied)

Not so well organised

Earth Beat – also my first time. They had to deal with a few curve balls though. I didn’t notice the lack of medical and food safety that others have reported but got a taste of their poor information hygiene. As a last-minute panellist, I experienced first-hand how the session about disinformation and free speech got derailed by angry Covid protesters. Confused communication and lack of transparency in the lead-up was part of the problem. 

Most expensive

Splore – but you get some world-class acts with your ticket. Because you pay everything extra from your wristband, which you top up as you go, it’s easy to overspend, given the steep mark-up for everything on offer. I did. 

Most affordable

Convergence, a family-friendly co-created gathering in North Canterbury by a river with a bush sauna that has been going for decades. I’ve been at least 10 times and stopped counting. All food, apart from breakfast, is provided and prepared together in shifts in the communal kitchen. You can stay on site after the event, which extends your five-day ticket into a longer holiday. Strictly no drugs or alcohol, which makes it the cheapest New Year’s Eve party on the motu. 

Runner-up

Kiwiburn, New Zealand’s regional Burning Man, sits at the other end of the hedonistic spectrum and offers most bangs for your bucks in terms of intensity, visual extravaganza, self-expression and wackiness. Since it has a non-commodified gifting culture – no money changes hands – you can walk anywhere around the paddock, day or night, and get offered a snack or a cocktail from one of the camps. (Better check that snack though. Overuse of chili is a common prank.) My camp even held a pizza night for punters. If you’re a good burner and not a freeloader, you bring supplies for your theme camp’s bar and keep as many strangers happy as possible. The joy of giving. Win-win. 

The author partying in the rain at Kiwiburn (Photo: Supplied)

Lowest expectation, biggest surprise

Convergence. It’s usually a 200 to 300-person event, but they only had 95 tickets this year. That shrinkage felt sad and empty on arrival, but soon turned out to be a bonus: no overload, only one workshop on offer at a time, and enough room in the sauna to cram everyone in and not turn people away. The only festival of them all that left me replenished, not exhausted. 

Most misinformation spreading

Show me an alternative festival that doesn’t have at least one workshop or presenter who fits that bill, even if it’s not so obvious in the programme. Earth Beat took the cake though. Reality Check Radio, the new VFF platform, had their flyers everywhere as did Yes Aotearoa, a new “truther” party. They held a Q&A with anti-vax lawyer Sue Grey at the community hub. I attended a talk by a herbalist who told people never to take what doctors prescribe, and that there are “entities” out there, like the government, that want to “keep us unhealthy”. In another session, people were outraged to hear a key message from Nicky Hager that mainstream media is essential, not evil.  

Best toilets

Convergence happens in a Methodist camp, and although the facilities look a bit tired and worn, they have flush toilets, which is a nice sensory change from what you usually face in a festival portaloo after day two. The prize for the most creative crappers goes to Kiwiburn, where you could be doing your business in a quirky shrine of artwork. The prize for most sustainable loos goes to Relish: all toilets are compost ones, and everyone helps to change the buckets once they’re full. It’s an easy-peasy eco-friendly rotating system – radical self-responsibility at its best. 

Best bathrooms

Earth Beat’s shower providers brought a whole powder room along: a row of hand basins and big mirrors, free nail polish, an in-house hairdresser, cool music and hot cups of tea while you wait in the queue. Nice touch!

Earth Beat (Photo: Mo Serrurier via Facebook)

Best views

Sunsets at Earth Beat where they held an ecstatic dance up on a hill. And coming down the goat track at Splore, with the ocean and thousands of party people down below, admiring some glow-in-the dark mushroom installations among the trees. 

Best camping food hacks

Bring a Jetboil and an AeroPress. If you have no camping gear and booked a glamping tent – as I did in one case – you beat all the long coffee queues at stalls in the morning (especially if commercial machines are broken, as happened). Seasoned burners pre-cook meals, freeze them in packs and use them to cool their drinks in the chilly bin. Extremely handy when you have no place to prepare a meal in pouring rain (as happened). 

Best toilet survival and fashion hack

Add a zip in the crotch of your catsuit or overall that you’re partying in. Anyone with a vulva who’s ever had to take off layer after layer in a freezing slippery portaloo at 2am, probably not quite sober at that stage, will get the drift. Excuse the pun. 

The author speaking on a panel at Splore with journalist Russell Brown and Kate Hannah from The Disinformation Project; and holding her workshop at Earth Beat (Photos: Supplied)

Fashion trends

Depends where you are. Fur vests, fake or real on naked skin, blend in at any Burn. Animal onesies too. At Splore, the accessory du jour was a headband with big flowers, Frida Kahlo style. Biodegradable glitter on the face always goes. From Earth Beat to Relish, you can’t go wrong in an open kimono bath robe, worn with psychedelic-patterned leggings, for cool conformity. Always bring gumboots and leave your high heels at home (uneven dark terrain, grass, mud) – unless you’re performing in a burlesque show. Speaking of which – drum roll…

Best stage performances

Highly selective and subjective, but Miss Hellblazer – “stuntie by day, spicy by night” – set a new standard for devilish and devious pole-dancing acrobatics. Also at Splore, I stumbled upon the mesmerising Proteins of Magic (androgynous Aotearoa artist Kelly Sherrod), my festival crush. There are too many to count who made my night on the Relish stage – it’s all a big happy blur. A shout-out to the talented teens at the Earth Beat Youth Zone whose jamming sessions were as good as some of the professional acts, and to the kids who performed in the cabaret at Convergence. It’s the most supportive audience any parent could wish for. 

Best group performance

Fire spinners at Relish, Kiwiburn and Earth Beat. And impromptu singing in the sauna at Convergence. The boiler drum that looks like a Hobbit hole brings out the best tunes and conversations. If these walls could talk!

Best artwork

All over Kiwiburn. It’s worth going just for the effigy and the temple – wooden architectural structures that are built over weeks by volunteers beforehand and are lit up and burnt to the ground in two spectacular ceremonies. You’ll also find beautifully decorated art cars and installations in the forest. My favourite metal sculptures – two gigantic moths made by artists Chris Stead and Chris van der Meys – found their way to Relish as well.

Kiwiburn (Photo: Supplied)

Magical and moving moments

Lying on a supersized mattress in the forest at Relish at night, watching a screening of the aurora borealis on loop on a massive screen that was hung between trees. Sitting in a sharing circle after my inaugural workshop at Convergence, receiving heartfelt feedback. Huddling under an umbrella at Kiwiburn, watching the effigy burn down and a thousand people rip their clothes off to run naked around the fire in a mad howling circle, like the first humans on earth. And after days of non-stop rain in Hunterville, seeing trucks with wood chips arrive to spread mulch on the paths that had turned into deep mud slides. Perks!

Biggest challenge

Realising that the bottom of your plastic box with all your clothes in your tent has a crack and everything in there bar the top layer is soaking wet; that you can’t find anywhere dry to sit in your whole camp of 50 people; and your chilly bin is full of mouldy things swimming in ice water. The January weather bomb also hit Kiwiburn and turned the paddock into a swamp. The forest and access to the river had to be closed, some structures needed to be taken down, people tried to leave early in a panic, affected by their flooded homes. Never had this happened there before. Two days of it would have been fine. Five were too much for me. 

Shit-show moment

Being accosted by Sue Grey at Earth Beat while her political buddy Joseph Blessing from Yes Aotearoa tried filming Nicky Hager and me without consent during a break in the panel session – and then hearing her distort her inappropriate move in a Facebook video later. A new low. 

Best insider info to take away

Know Your Stuff, who were set up at Splore and Kiwiburn to make substance indulgence safer, were spreading the important message that a once-a-week habit of everyone’s favourite party drug can irreversibly damage your urinary tract. Look up “ketamine bladder”, kids. You heard it here first. You’re welcome. 

Hot tip for next season

Brazen, a small two-day event for all genders at the Shipwrecked site in Northland with an all-female and non-binary lineup, started by Amanda Wright (DJ Amandamania). I went to the inaugural Brazen last year and loved every minute of it. Couldn’t make it this time, which was last weekend. I’ll have FOMO till summer comes around again. 

Anke Richter is the author of Cult Trip: Inside the world of coercion & control (HarperCollins), released as an international paperback this week