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SocietyMarch 27, 2025

Help Me Hera: My friend keeps putting me down ‘as a joke’

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I’ve worked hard to cut negative self-talk out of my life. How do I stop my friend from picking up the slack?

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Dear Hera, 

I’ve recently been getting annoyed with my friend because she will include me in her negative self-talk and I have been through years of therapy to help me overcome this kind of self-talk so it feels especially harmful. 

She will say things like “there is no hope for us… we will be single forever.” Or “we’re a lost cause.” Last time she said that I told her to speak for herself but I think she took it as a joke. 

I’m wondering how to broach the subject with her? 

It’s hurtful to hear my friend talk about me like this – maybe she has light-hearted intentions but my reaction to these comments never warrants a lighthearted response. 

What do you think I should do? Am I being too sensitive? Please help me! 

Sincerely, 

Positive self-talker 

Dear Positive,

You are right to hate this because it’s not a joke. This is the first principle in Sun Tzu’s Art of War for intermediate-school girls, and it’s incredible your friend has carried this with her into adulthood. It’s like going to law school, and trying to pass the bar by starting each rebuttal with “I know you are I said you are but what am I?” 

I’d like to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, but this isn’t the kind of thing you say by accident. This is an insidious way of hurting someone else’s feelings while retaining a thin veneer of plausible deniability. It’s not the most subtle or sophisticated tactic in the emotional warfare playbook, but it’s obviously worked well enough to stop you from openly confronting her about it until now. On some level, I think your friend must know this is hurting you. So you have to ask yourself: what the fuck?

As far as I can see, there are two possible explanations. The first one is that she’s a miserable person who gets satisfaction from making you feel bad and is content to throw herself under the bus if it means taking you with her. 

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The second option is that she deeply believes these things about herself, is worried that you might leave or outgrow her, and her attempts to include you in her self-deprecating predictions, are a form of platonic negging – by lowering your self-esteem she might feel less like you are less likely to abandon her. 

Maybe I’m being too harsh, and your feelings are just collateral damage, rather than the intended target. She sounds like she is genuinely lacking confidence. But it also sounds like she gets some catharsis from making you feel the same way. Either way, it’s not a good basis for a loving and mutually uplifting friendship. 

The good news is this sort of tactic only works as long as you’re too polite to call her out on her shit. The best way to address it is to do exactly what you did last time and challenge it whenever it happens. I would suggest saying what you said to me here. You’ve worked hard in therapy to not speak negatively about yourself, and when she says things like “we’re both going to be alone forever” it makes you feel bad. 

The best way to defeat passive-aggressive psychological tactics is with emotional honesty and transparency because passive-aggression needs a facade to hide behind. You don’t need to get into an argument about it. All you should have to say is that you hate it, it hurts you, and you don’t want to hear it. If she’s a good friend who is truly oblivious to the pain she is causing you, saying this once should be enough. 

If she’s doing it on purpose, she’ll probably get defensive and say it’s just a joke. But if you call her out every time it happens, she won’t be able to hide behind the pretence that you’re both in on it together. Either she’ll reflect on her behaviour and make a change. Or she’ll keep doing it, and you’ll know that she’s hurting you on purpose, and hopefully decide to take a step back from your friendship. 

I’m not saying that you can’t, on occasion, call your friend a miserable low-life reprobate who licks pavements for a hobby. But you can only say things like that when you’re certain the recipient will receive them in the spirit they’re intended: as a deep and loving endearment, in full confidence that if they did something tremendous, like inventing a new kind of bread, or marrying Anne Hathaway, you would be their biggest champion and supporter. 

I would take this opportunity to spend some time reflecting on whether or not this friendship is healthy for you. You’ve come a long way in addressing your own insecurities, and you should be proud of that. Call me old-fashioned, but friendships should be about uplifting and encouraging one another, not subtly tearing each other down to make sure you’re never alone in your kingdom of misery. If this was a romantic relationship, and your partner was constantly saying “we’re both hideous losers with nothing going for us”, we would clock that as manipulative. 

If she is a real friend, she’ll care about your feelings enough to stop, and you won’t need to keep reminding her. But if she continues to find ways to rock your confidence and undermine your happiness, then I would suggest getting the hell away from her. 

Best, Hera

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The actual photo of the actual house from the actual real estate listing. Not the actual buyers.
The actual photo of the actual house from the actual real estate listing. Not the actual buyers.

SocietyMarch 26, 2025

My crummy old flat, with my crummy old furniture, just sold for $1,980,000

The actual photo of the actual house from the actual real estate listing. Not the actual buyers.
The actual photo of the actual house from the actual real estate listing. Not the actual buyers.

It has no insulation, flaking paint, questionable pipes and all my old furniture and artwork. At the auction, bidding was competitive. 

Embarrassingly, my algorithm knows that I like to browse real estate listings online. The ones I like best are old and tatty, places where the cabinetry in the kitchen hasn’t been touched since the 50s and the carpet smells like cat piss. Some are tiny and near the beach where computers don’t work. Others need so much tender love and care you’d simply have to quit your job. The algorithm has learned that if it puts an old shitter in front of me, I will click.

The week before last, the shitter was very, very familiar. In the photo, a heap of old wood held itself together with flakes of paint in between two Grey Lynn grey renovated villas. The sash window of the front bedroom was propped open with a block and that funky tree (weed?) growing in the 10cm between the house and the garage (not in service due to the roller door not rolling) was reaching for the gutters. A wiggly line of old bricks, laid by my very own hands, tried to keep the grass out of a parsley and flower bed. When I moved in here in 2018 the latest crisis was that numerous keys had been lost through the holes left by rotted planks of the front porch. We fished them out with wire coat hangers and placed scraps of plywood over the holes. When I moved out in 2021, I thought houses that didn’t have mould were so flash. 

There are also many happy memories!

“This classic 1907 villa might not have aged like a fine whisky,” read the listing. I snorted from my new house five blocks away. “Unlike old whisky, this home can easily be restored”. I thought about the time that the neighbour came knocking because clumps of toilet paper and some other stuff was travelling from underneath our house nearer and nearer to his garden. Unbeknownst to us, a pipe had blocked, the toilet had disconnected and had been flushing straight down onto the ground. When the plumber came, he jimmied out the pipe, but told us it was so tiny that it was only a matter of time before it blocked up again. I would venture to say that restoration will not be easy. 

Also in the listing, the Phoenix palms in the backyard are described as “established trees”. In my time, they were infested with rats and we were afraid of moving their fallen fronds as they have sharp, toxin-carrying spines which are known to cause infections. We asked the landlord to trim or remove them, but he said it was too expensive. 

Ah, the landlord. We only met him in person once. He came wearing full motorbike leathers and told us he liked surfing. My flatmate may or may not have answered the door in undies because we weren’t expecting him on a Saturday morning. He said he might re-paint the exterior of the house, but then it never happened. He was surprisingly handsome and very cordial via email, though not willing to spend on maintenance. He never raised the rent and let us do what we liked to the house and to the garden. Was it legal? We were never convinced, though there were some Healthy Homes checklists he’d scrawled on added to the back of the lease.

The thing about this house is that it’s in Grey Lynn. It’s a suburb that is synonymous with gentrification. Its rows of colonial cottages and villas are due to the fact it was settled early, as part of the first 3000-acre block of land given to the British by Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei in 1840. For a long time, the area was an affordable working class neighbourhood. In the 1950s and 1960s the houses were run-down and many immigrants, particularly from Pacific Islands, settled there. Then the 1970s saw a renewed interest in Victorian properties and inner city suburbs. People with more means bought and renovated first in Ponsonby and then Grey Lynn. A growing group of young, socially liberal, tertiary-educated Pākehā wanted to live in this area (I mean… I’m guilty). House prices and rents increased at the same time that Pacific people faced discrimination from Police and landlords. 

Now, Grey Lynn is synonymous with trendy cafes, activewear and yo-pros. Unrenovated houses are like hens’ teeth. Where we saw a house big enough to share with friends and close enough to walk or cycle to university, property investors saw an opportunity to add value. As the listing put it, “it’s a prime opportunity for renovators or investors to transform it into a stunning, quintessential Grey Lynn jewel.” 

My extremely chic painting job. That is also my curtain pole, a pipe I found on the side of the road.

I sent the link to my old flatmate. “Wow wow wow. Wonder how long till it’s bulldozed,” she replied, armed with an architecture degree and knowledge of the house as intimate as mine. Together from our now separate homes, we noseyed through the listing’s photos. The room I’d painted a dark sage green was just how I’d left it, with two patches left unpainted that I still think make it look somewhat Parisian. Another room is a yellowish green that I warned our flatmate against when she had swatches lined up on the wall. Later I bit my tongue when I saw how well it matched her wooden furniture and big Kandinsky print. 

Most unsettling was the lounge. It looks exactly the same as when I moved out, despite the fact I couldn’t name a single person that lives there anymore. There is the table and chairs I sourced from a friend’s dispersing flat. There are the DIY built-in mouches (mattress-couch) that my flatmate and I had re-configured with a handsaw during a lockdown refresh. There are cushions I sewed up. There is the shelf I recused from the side of the road. On one wall a big screen printed banner I made at art school still hangs, on another wall is an artwork I bought to support a friend and in the hallway a printed poem another friend wrote. 

All these things are actually ours.

For the plot, and to pay our respects, we decided to go to the open home. When Sunday rolled around, my ex-flattie was struck by period cramps, so I went without her. The real estate agent was wearing a white T-shirt so clean it looked like it hadn’t been washed yet. I confessed straight away that I was not a potential buyer but a nosey ex-resident and then started pointing out all the stuff that was “ours”. It was charming, I think. My flatmate’s passport mugshot stuck up in the kitchen – ours. My lockdown drawings by the bathroom – ours. The weighted hula hoop abandoned in the garden – ours. That random circular hole in the floor – not ours. The fridge – new! I live-streamed my visit to my bloody old flattie through a series of photos. “Can’t believe it’s all there,” she replied, along with “Hahahhahahahaha – Dying – That’s so funny”.

There was hot interest in the property, said the clean agent, despite it being “not in a good state”. Someone had made a pre-auction offer of $1.8 million. From his giddy tone, I gathered that this was more than anyone expected. The owner had agreed to bring the auction forward straight away, cutting out two weeks of viewings and advertising.

The following Tuesday there was a bidding war. As most people who don’t have millions of dollars to spend on a dilapidated house have to do on a Tuesday, I was at work. In an email, the agent told me there was “competitive bidding” at the auction. The final price was $1,980,000. 

The house is so rundown it may need to be completely rebuilt, but the 400m2 of land it sits on is estimated to be worth $2,325,000. My landlord bought the whole thing, in much better condition, for $702,000 in 2007. 

There’s no doubt it sold “as is”, but I’d love to see the list of chattels. Does it include the oven that was dropped around as a surprise when the landlord upgraded his kitchen? Does it include the mouches? My art print? The mugshot? The black mold in the bathroom? The cute little field mice living in the kitchen cupboards? I have a feeling that if I walk past in a couple of months most of these things will be in a skip outside. The sound of an angle grinder will be ringing through the neighbourhood but no-one will have the grounds to complain, since their renovations were all just as loud.

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