The Spinoff and Spark proudly present Pod On The Couch, a weekly podcast exploring music and the people that make it. This episode: Leonie Hayden, Duncan Greive and Damien Vaughan join host Henry Oliver to talk about everything that happened with Aaradhna and the Urban/Hiphop Album award at this year’s New Zealand Music Awards.

Spinoff Music editor Henry Oliver, Spinoff editor and publisher Duncan Greive, Mana magazine editor Leonie Hayden, and Recorded Music NZ CEO Damien Vaughan chat about the Aaradhna, race, ‘urban’ music and the New Zealand Music Awards.

You can read Aaradhna’s New Zealand Music Awards speech here and her explanation of her motivations here.

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