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MediaJuly 20, 2021

When rock stars meet New Zealand’s media

Photo: SOME BIZARRE MONKEY/Tina Tiller
Photo: SOME BIZARRE MONKEY/Tina Tiller

Traditional press conferences can be ultra-boring time-wasters for everyone involved. But when musos front up, all bets are off.

When Robbie Williams arrived in New Zealand in 2018, he nearly burnt the house down. “It’s my birthday,” the British pop star said while sat at a table in the foyer of The Northern Club in Auckland. With a cake and candles flaming beside him, Williams laid out ground rules to the gaggle of eager media gathered in front of him: “So, we do questions, I answer them, and that’s it.”

If there was a plan, the next 20 minutes did not follow it. At one point, Williams blew out his candles, made a wish, then looked down his pants, joking: “It didn’t work.” At another, he shut down a DJ from The Rock called “Jim” who tried to hijack the conference with a halting, long-winded question. “Jim’s doing a bit for the sketch on the YouTube,” chided a jaded Williams. “Well done Jim, you did it – your big thing.”

Robbie Williams, with birthday cake, at his Auckland press conference in 2018 (PHOTO: SOME BIZARRE MONKEY)

All the big names were there. Jeremy Wells asked Williams: “What do you think of New Zealand?” Josh Thomson asked him: “Your Rock DJ tiger undies – did you have a whole lot of them, or did you just have one pair that you washed a lot?” Ryan Bridge asked him to reflect on the shock news that Bill English was stepping down as National party leader.

Things got serious when the birthday boy took an intern’s pre-party invitation from The Hits and discarded it too close to the still-glowing candle wicks. Yet he kept his cool. “Oh, it’s on fire?” he commented, barely glancing at the smoke. Williams arched those infamous eyebrows of his, shrugged his shoulders and declared: “That’s showbiz.”

In short, it was brilliant, a press conference full of spontaneity that had none of the formalities and cliches of a staid sports post-match presser, or the smug deflections of a predictable political panel. Acting up was part of the show, and Williams was the quintessential showman: courteous, consistently cheeky, yet serious and self-reflective when the moment called for it. “I have something in me that wants to fuck everything up and obliterate myself,” he admitted at one point.

Williams played the game with aplomb, nabbing airtime on nearly every TV, radio show and website in the country. It was perfectly executed. And it’s barely happened since.

“I miss them,” a veteran local publicist told me when I asked how long it had been since they’d set up a press event for a visiting superstar. They couldn’t remember: it had been at least 18 months, possibly longer. Thanks to Covid-19 lockdowns, press conferences featuring big-name artists just haven’t happened. The world’s biggest musicians aren’t touring, they haven’t visited us, and besides, there have been other things on everyone’s minds.

Which is a crying shame. We’ve missed out on moments like Iron Maiden front man Bruce Dickinson flying the band’s Boeing 747-400 jumbo jet, nicknamed “Ed Force One”, into Auckland in 2016 for The Book of Souls world tour. When the plane touched down at Auckland Airport, around 20 media wearing hi-vis and security passes were waiting to ask the metal gods questions like: “What’s louder – the plane or the band?”

We haven’t seen things like a surprisingly circumspect Kanye West wearing a blazer and white sunglasses in 2008 while fronting New Zealand media about his most fascinating record, 808s and Heartbreaks, or Kings of Leon guitarist Jared Followill admitting in 2009 he couldn’t remember anything about the band’s previous New Zealand visit. “It’s the drinking,” he lamented from behind dark sunglasses. You wouldn’t hear that from an All Black. Talk about rock and roll.

Why do this? Why would big-name artists front a press conference – especially when the risks for saying too much, being too outrageous, getting served a toe-curling question, or meeting Jim from The Rock, are all too high? After all, most artists have done press interviews over the phone ahead of time, and many have already sold out their shows.

Aren’t they too big for all this? “I look on press conferences, or more specifically media calls, as a kind of nice tradition,” the publicist, who asked not to be named, told me. “Back in the day, it was artists like The (Rolling) Stones, The Beatles and Bob Dylan that made them really something.” They told me that it’s not about ticket sales, more about “generating some genuine excitement and presence”.

There are other reasons too. Sometimes, it’s about a good use of time. “You want to give the media something a little bit different, so that lots of outlets have a piece of the action rather than just one or two,” they say. “If you’re going to take [the star] around to all these outlets, it can be quite stressful.” With a press conference, “the artist doesn’t have to do a whole day of interviews”.

Despite the best-laid plans, musicians are liable to go off-script. That unpredictability is often what makes pressers so fun. Yet, if it’s the media acting up, like The Rock DJ caught doing a bit, it’s the publicist who gets blamed. “It’s disappointing,” they say. “I’m in the firing line for stuff like that. What can you do about it?”

They can go off the rails in other ways too. When Russell Brand was here in 2015, he had a full day of press planned, but, after leaving his hotel for a run, he went “rogue”. He showed up unannounced at TVNZ’s central Auckland studios, presenting himself in the newsroom like this: “I’ve got 21 minutes. Who would like to interview me?” A presenter and camera operator proceeded to follow him around the building, until he made Breakfast traffic reporter Selena Hawkins eat a cupcake.

TVNZ’s headline that day was: “Rambling Russell Brand stuns TVNZ newsroom with bizarre unannounced visit.” It’s publicity you can’t buy. “Total genius,” the publicist told me.

Thinks went similarly awry when U2 were here for their widescreen stadium show at the end of 2019. During the band’s afternoon soundcheck, a press pack was led into the front rows of an empty Mt Smart stadium, where front man Bono began to point and gesticulate wildly while performing for a crowd of about a dozen. Afterwards, with grey roots showing through his otherwise jet black hair, Bono leaned against a security fence and held court, taking selfies and answering questions. When he saw a pregnant radio announcer’s belly, he attempted to persuade her to name her child Bono.

But impromptu celebrity shenanigans can have good results too. On Oprah Winfrey’s debut New Zealand visit in 2015, her first stop was Ōrākei Marae for a pōwhiri by Ngāti Whātua. She stunned a Māori TV reporter by walking into frame of a live cross and granting her an exclusive interview. “I felt so awed,” Winfrey said about her welcome. “I’m on their land, and I’m visiting their land, and to be welcomed here is such a great honour.”

After Covid-19 shrunk the country’s media, with newsroom entertainment teams whittled down to the bare minimum, would a dozen reporters even be available for a rock star press conference these days? The publicist I spoke to believes absolutely, without a doubt, they will return. They miss hosting them, and can’t wait to start putting them on again. It’s just one sign of a thriving entertainment industry.

It sounds like it might happen soon. Live Nation is predicting boom times over the next two years. “You only have to look at how competitive it is to get dates for Friday and Saturday nights at (Spark) Arena for 2022 and 2023 to know how much is coming,” Mark Kneebone, New Zealand’s managing director at Live Nation Australasia, recently told NZ Herald.

A return to international tours doesn’t necessarily mean a return to press conferences – especially from artists wary of foreign countries and public spaces after a worldwide pandemic. But the publicist I talked to would welcome their return. “If an artist is big enough, if there’s enough interest in them, there’s always a place for a press conference,” they said.

Besides: “They’ve come a long way – it’s nice to make them feel welcome!”


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Israel Dagg, Brendon McCullum and Ian Smith are among the hosts on SENZ (Image: Toby Manhire)
Israel Dagg, Brendon McCullum and Ian Smith are among the hosts on SENZ (Image: Toby Manhire)

MediaJuly 19, 2021

Review: The first hours of SENZ, Aotearoa’s new sports radio station

Israel Dagg, Brendon McCullum and Ian Smith are among the hosts on SENZ (Image: Toby Manhire)
Israel Dagg, Brendon McCullum and Ian Smith are among the hosts on SENZ (Image: Toby Manhire)

Sport on the radio is back with the launch of the local arm of an Australian media giant. Alex Braae – who dearly misses the old Radio Sport – tuned in for the opening broadcast. 

“Sport is more than a lifestyle, a passion. It is a fabric that completes our identity,” former Black Caps captain Brendon McCullum declared, over a backing track of Six60, from when they used to make drum’n’bass. It was a lot for 6am on a Monday morning. 

“Well well well, if that doesn’t get you excited, nothing will,” broke in Israel Dagg. It sort of sounded like an ad was about to play, the audio swam, McCullum made a false start, another sting played, and then he began again properly. The first ever caller to the new SENZ network – Lance – couldn’t be put to air for whatever reason. Nothing makes radio sound thrillingly live like a bit of messiness. 

“Baz and Izzy” have a pretty easy vibe as broadcasters, even if they kept on insisting they “never went to broadcasting school”. They’ve both been fortunate to come into the industry as former players known for their personality, meaning they can make a rougher, less polished technique work. Before the first adbreak, their ex-Radio Sport producer Louis Watt was brought on air to do the basics, like shouting out to the sponsors and telling listeners the time.

A bit of jeopardy was introduced early. An interview with WTC-winning captain Kane Williamson was teased, provided he actually picked up the phone – apparently he was at the Formula One. 

Being former players, McCullum and Dagg are probably a bit more positive and forgiving towards athletes than the average fan. About 15 minutes in, the conversation turned to the Warriors, with a discussion of how the country is still proud of the team because of the sacrifices this season has involved. That’s a perhaps heroic reading of the sporting public’s thoughts towards this Warriors season, but the comments clearly came from a respect for the lifestyle the team is having to lead. 

The stereotype of what you’d hear on Radio Sport would’ve probably been the opposite – that the Warriors are soft, they’re professional athletes so what do they expect, I bet you’d love to be playing first-grade footy for that kind of money, blah blah blah. It doesn’t really matter that Radio Sport hosts had largely moved on from that sort of mentality – the image is set in stone. 

Kieran Read and Israel Dagg. (Photo: MARTY MELVILLE/AFP/Getty Images)

But half an hour into the life of SENZ, the breakfast hosts were talking about the value of multiculturalism and diversity in the rugby community, particularly at the club level. Dare I say it – has sports radio gone woke? 

That’s a facetious way of putting it, but there might actually be something there. The saga over producer Sam Casey is indicative of that. For those who didn’t follow it – Casey wrote a dreadful column about women’s rugby that said women were takers rather than givers, and there was a justifiable storm of criticism. But despite the column being written before Casey was employed by SENZ, on a platform with nothing to do with SENZ, and Casey being in a backroom, and it ostensibly being a first strike, he was let go a few weeks before the station launched. 

On a recent episode of the Between Two Beers podcast, broadcaster Jason Pine appeared to suggest the sacking might have been a step too far. His opinion is relevant, because he was briefly in charge of SENZ, before realising that he had taken on too big a job and his family life would suffer too much as a result. Pine indicated SENZ may have decided they could put a line in the sand about what is and isn’t acceptable with the sacking.

At times, the opening broadcast perhaps veered a bit too far into feelgood positivity. Israel Dagg did an editorial in which he discussed the whispers around whether Scott Robertson might replace Ian Foster as All Blacks coach. Dagg’s view was that actually, the public should be backing Foster 100%, at least until the end of the year. The segment is billed as “Izzy’s bomb squad” (a reference to his fullback days) but as he did on the rugby field, here he was defusing a bomb rather than firing one up. 

It took a talkback caller to point that out. “I don’t want us to be cheerleaders,” the caller said, noting that Australia and Argentina weren’t particularly good sides last year, and both beat the All Blacks. The caller was right too – the All Blacks genuinely had a mediocre 2020. Sport is different, but can you imagine a business journalist telling the public they should give an IPO their full support? 

Brendon McCullum leads out the Black Caps in his final test match , against Australia at Hagley Oval in 2016. (Photo by Ryan Pierse/Getty Images)

It might reflect the slightly tricky spot “Baz and Izzy” find themselves in now. They’re both very recent players – a few teammates from the representative teams they were stars in are still around. Nobody wants former sportsmen banging on about how much better they were than the current lot – but similarly, people in media have to be willing to criticise without fear or favour. And you’ve got to give plenty of space for callers to express their opinions honestly, or else they won’t call. 

Athletes will probably be very keen to talk to SENZ. Kane Williamson came through in the end, and he gave an interview that seemed slightly more in-depth than he normally goes. Williamson is a bit notorious for playing with far too straight a bat with the media, but on SENZ, he took the heart on sleeve sincerity and returned the favour. 

Injured All Blacks captain Sam Cane also brought his particular style of muttered bluntness, in an interview with mid-mornings host Ian Smith. Good questions, good answers, good producing to get the interview over the line, good radio all round. 

Smith himself – and the more out and out broadcasters coming on later in the day like Kirstie Stanway and Rikki Swannell – are likely to be crucial to SENZ in the coming months. The first four hours featured interviews with Kieran Read, Williamson and the current All Blacks captain – all significant “gets” that set a very high standard. The opening day buzz will wear off very quickly, and after that the grind will begin. And daily radio is a hell of a grind.

There are positive signs that SENZ will look to cast the net wide on their content. Horse racing will probably end up paying a lot of the bills, but Smith’s show found time to talk to the boss of Surfing NZ about the sport’s inclusion in the Olympic games. 

For the generalist sports fan, this station will fill a void that was left by Radio Sport, and perhaps even expand the conversation around what counts as newsworthy sport, which would be very welcome. It’s just one man’s opinion, but they did enough this morning to get at least one new regular listener.