Rawiri Waititi struggled to word his questions in the way speaker Gerry Brownlee wanted. Image: Joel MacManus
Rawiri Waititi struggled to word his questions in the way speaker Gerry Brownlee wanted. Image: Joel MacManus

PoliticsApril 10, 2025

Echo Chamber: Why it took nine attempts for Rawiri Waititi to ask a question

Rawiri Waititi struggled to word his questions in the way speaker Gerry Brownlee wanted. Image: Joel MacManus
Rawiri Waititi struggled to word his questions in the way speaker Gerry Brownlee wanted. Image: Joel MacManus

Speaker Gerry Brownlee made Te Pāti Māori’s co-leader rephrase his question again, and again, and again.

Te Pāti Māori has always had a healthy disrespect for the rules of parliament. They see it as a stuffy, colonial institution rooted in traditions that exist only for the sake of tradition. By rejecting the shackles of convention, they’re free to disrupt the house with a haka and openly defy the privileges committee.

Often, that attitude is good politics. Like Winston Peters, they realise that the rules of parliament are an illusion; the only thing that really matters is votes. As long as you keep getting re-elected, you can do whatever you want. But there are other times when that dismissal of norms exposes weakness, like a sportsperson who refuses to learn the finer rules of their own game.

On Wednesday, Rawiri Waititi repeatedly tried, and failed, to ask prime minister Chris Luxon a relatively simple question about the Treaty principles bill. Speaker Gerry Brownlee required him to rephrase the question nine times, while National MPs sniggered and Labour’s biggest rules nerds (Chris Hipkins and Kieran McAnulty) tried to interject on his behalf.

Waititi’s first attempt at the question was, “Is he proud with the cultural discourse facilitated by allowing one minor party to use parliament as a platform to promote the erasure of Māori rights?” Luxon was confused. “Sorry, can you repeat the question?”

“Love to,” Waititi chirped back.

The question was far too vague and seemed to be directed at the Act Party, not the government. “There might be another way to ask that question,” Brownlee hinted. Waititi tried again, adding “… through the introduction of the Treaty principles bill?” Brownlee cut him off. “No, no, that’s the same question.”

Hipkins came to the rescue, pointing out that the addition of the words “Treaty principles bill” made it clear the question was referencing a government bill, which the prime minister has responsibility for. A chastened Brownlee admitted his mistake. “Thanks, you’ve got better ears than I have. I didn’t hear that.” With a sigh, he told Waititi, “Ask again.” Fourth time’s the charm.

Waititi asked the same question, with the same mention of the Treaty principles bill. Once again, Brownlee cut him off. “Sorry, where was the reference to a government bill in that?” A chorus of MPs from the opposition benches called back at him, “Treaty principles bill”. Ginny Andersen rocked back and forth with laughter.

Frustrated, Brownlee gave a curt instruction to Luxon: “Give it a bit of an answer; just get rid of it.” Luxon said he disagreed with the characterisation of the question, then sat back down. Waititi pivoted slightly, staying on the same topic: “Will he be voting against Act’s Treaty principles bill tomorrow?” Once again, this caught Brownlee’s ire. “For goodness sake, you can’t call it Act’s bill if it’s a government bill”.

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Waititi followed up again, asking if Luxon would be voting against a member’s bill put forward by Act MP Parmjeet Parmar to end university scholarships and pathways based on race. The problem is, Parmar’s bill is a member’s bill, not a government bill. It’s a relatively arcane difference, but one that Waititi should be aware of. “I’m sure you’re about there. Just have another crack,” Brownlee said. “Sesame Street,” a National backbencher heckled.

The House grew increasingly restless as Waititi tried again. “Does he support the proposed member’s bill that will erase Māori and Pasifika pathway spaces and scholarships from all universities across Aotearoa?” National’s biggest rules nerd (Chris Bishop) interjected, pointing out that the prime minister isn’t responsible for members’ bills. Waititi made a point of order to Bishop’s point of order: “The member’s bill will be a government bill. Is he responsible for that?”

The short answer is no. Again, Waititi seemed confused about the difference between the two types of bills. “A member’s bill is a member’s bill; it’s not a government bill,” Brownlee said. “There will be another way to ask that question. I’m sorry to be difficult for you, but it’s important to get these things right.”

At long last, after stumbling at every hurdle, Waititi phrased his question in a Brownlee-approved format, asking if the prime minister supported “any bill” that would remove Māori and Pasifika scholarships and university pathways. Luxon popped up like a whac-a-mole, answered in one breath, and sat straight back down: “We’ll have to wait and see what bill comes before the House.” From his seat, McAnulty muttered, “God, he’s gutless.”

One for the record

In response to questions about the fishing industry (which is fundamentally based on killing fish), Shane Jones said, “no member of the fishing industry deliberately goes out to do damage to wildlife” – a quote that generated this remarkable series of facial expressions from Chlöe Swarbrick.

Chlöe Swarbrick looking like her head might explode. (Photo: Joel MacManus)
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OPINIONPoliticsApril 10, 2025

Is political trust ‘in crisis’? It depends

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Is it as bad as has been suggested? Probably not. But how do we ensure the current weather of distrust doesn’t become a climate of toxic disaffection?

A few years ago, trust in New Zealand’s government was higher than at any other time in the last 35 years. Why, then, do we hear so much about a “crisis” of political trust? Obviously, trust matters: it is the glue that holds society together. Communities become dysfunctional when people cannot, as a rule, rely on their neighbours to behave predictably. Business transactions become near impossible without a basic assurance that others will follow ethical norms. And a populace can become ungovernable if it no longer trusts those doing the governing. This is not to say that full trust is desirable: surveys showing 100% confidence in government are a mark of authoritarian, dissent-suppressing dictatorships. Some measure of distrust is healthy. But very low trust is corrosive.

To see what that looks like, cast your eyes over the calamitous decline in the number of Americans who trust their government, now numbering just 20%. No wonder so many Americans are willing to back Trump.

New Zealand’s situation, however, is very different. In a master’s thesis published in February, Victoria University student Oliver Winter compiled data from surveys dating back to the early 1990s. What they show is a long-term increase in trust.

Note: the surveys graphed here are the World Values Survey (WVS), International Social Survey Programme (ISSP), New Zealand Election Study (NZES) and the Institute for Governance and Policy Studies (IGPS) trust survey

By 1999, New Zealanders were – as other surveys at the time make clear – reacting to 15 years of often undemocratic change carried out by governments intimately entwined with big business interests. But the introduction of MMP, and Helen Clark’s ability to hold corporate interests at a greater distance, helped restore some measure of confidence.

A slight decline in trust may have occurred under John Key, before trust spiked – as it did in many other countries – during the early days of the pandemic. The equivalent charts for parliament and the courts – equally important political institutions – show a similar, indeed slightly more positive, long-term trend.

This story comes, however, with two big caveats. The first is that the rise has been from a low base. The second and more serious caveat concerns the last few years: a return to pre-pandemic levels of (dis)trust can be seen even by 2023, and the data since then has only worsened.

The Edelman Trust Barometer survey, carried out late last year, shows a continued decline in trust. Relatively little weight should be placed on New Zealand’s underperformance versus the rest of the world, as Edelman surveys just 28 countries with wildly varying political setups.

Bar chart titled "Business remains most trusted" shows trust percentages for business (62), NGOs (54), government (45), and media (35) in New Zealand, with changes from 2024 to 2025 indicated below each bar.

More worrying is the fact that, as indicated by the circled numbers at the base of the blue bars, trust has continued to fall in all major institutions, and in the case of government is now below 50%. The slight downward trend detected in Winter’s work appears to have accelerated.

What is going on? Scholars in this area distinguish between weather and climate: changes in trust can be short term, transient responses to current events, or they can represent a shift to a permanently different environment.

It is plausible that New Zealand’s current decline in trust is just a form of weather. Evidence for this argument would include the lingering effects of the pandemic (which may well fade with time), the cost-of-living crisis (already easing, though certainly not over), and the confidence-sapping decline in the performance of our education and health systems (serious but eminently solvable problems).

Much angst has also been created by successive governments’ failure to fix apparently intractable economic problems, including crumbling infrastructure, rampant house price inflation and unchecked oligopolies. But current moves – including tentative steps towards bipartisan infrastructure investment, rezoning of large swathes of land for housing densification, and threats to break up the supermarket duopoly – hold out the promise of these problems being addressed.

We would not want, however, to put too much faith in such arguments. Distrust is not driven solely, or even mainly, by governments’ failure to deliver. Research suggests it is greatly amplified by economic disparities, which rightly lead the poor to believe that the rich have everything locked up, and people’s sense of not being heard by decision-makers. This entwining of poverty and political exclusion can be corrosive.

In a 2022 OECD survey, trust in parliament was 60% among financially secure New Zealanders, but only 40% for people struggling to pay their bills. Relatedly, just 35% of the poorest New Zealanders felt they “have a say” in political decisions. Across the whole country, barely one-third of us believed that if we took part in consultations, state agencies would listen. 

So what would ensure the weather of distrust doesn’t become a climate of toxic disaffection? As a recent OECD report put it: “People need to feel trusted by the government in order to trust it.” The same report produced evidence that the most trust-enhancing reforms are those that ensure citizens’ voices “will be heard”.

That requires us to tackle the corrosive intersection between poverty and political exclusion: lifting living standards for the worst-off, clamping down on the channels (notably lobbying and political donations) that allow vested interests to convert money into power, and – above all – doing government differently. We need to bring politics closer to the people, giving citizens greater opportunities to be meaningfully engaged in shaping political decisions.

That could be as simple as doing consultation better – early enough that people’s input can shape the final result rather than being a tick-box exercise, and with officials going to the venues – shopping malls, sports clubs and so on – where people already are, rather than expecting people to come to them. It could also involve things like citizens’ assemblies, where representative groups of ordinary people are brought together to debate and find solutions to issues on which conventional politics has become logjammed, or participatory budgeting, in which local councils put up a proportion of their infrastructure budget for the community to discuss and allocate.

Either way, there is no need yet to panic about trust. We start from a much higher basis than many other democracies. We do not yet have hard evidence that we are in a permanently new climate of distrust rather than just a localised depression, to use the meteorological term. As the economist Shamubeel Eaqub has said in a recent report on social cohesion, we are “fracturing, not polarised”. But that still points to a country heading in the wrong direction, even if not yet arrived in the darkest place. We cannot be complacent.

‘He mea tautoko nā ngā mema atawhai. Supported by our generous members.’
Liam Rātana
— Ātea editor