Chris Hipkins is expected to meet Xi Jinping in the Great Hall of the People. (Image: Archi Banal)
Chris Hipkins is expected to meet Xi Jinping in the Great Hall of the People. (Image: Archi Banal)

PoliticsJune 25, 2023

The challenge for Chris Hipkins in China

Chris Hipkins is expected to meet Xi Jinping in the Great Hall of the People. (Image: Archi Banal)
Chris Hipkins is expected to meet Xi Jinping in the Great Hall of the People. (Image: Archi Banal)

In the most substantial New Zealand political and business delegation for at least eight years, the PM faces a delicate task, says the author of a new book on NZ-China relations.

Chris Hipkins will not expect to return from China with any new big-ticket deals, but success will be measured in the messages of restored trade ties – and avoiding any diplomatic tripwires. In that light, the week-long visit “is a big deal”, according to Sam Sachdeva, author of the newly published The China Tightrope: Navigating New Zealand’s relationship with a world superpower.

“There’s not a lot of tangible wins that I think Hipkins can expect to take away,” said Sachdeva in a special edition of the Spinoff politics podcast Gone By Lunchtime. “We signed a [free trade agreement] upgrade not that long ago. Trade is the heavy emphasis mainly because talking about anything else gets very touchy. So it’s going to be more about the symbolism of taking businesses over there and saying, ‘look, we’re here, we’re happy to do trade with you, your tourists [are welcome], send your international students. But it’s more sort of vibes and photo ops, I think, than any sort of, look, we’ve signed this new, shiny agreement.”

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The domestic and international outlook of China was different when it signed that FTA with New Zealand – a first for Beijing – in 2008. “So much has changed over the last few years,” said Sachdeva. “We’ve got a much more muscular assertive foreign policy approach from Xi Jinping … and there’s been then there’s this ‘wolf warrior diplomacy’.” Concerns have heightened over Beijing emphasising its claim on Taiwan is a priority, while the Pacific has become the focus of competing interests between the west and China.

After a long political career focused principally on domestic portfolios, Hipkins faces his biggest test in the international sphere over the week ahead. The trip begins in Beijing, where he is expected to meet with President Xi and  Premier Li Qiang in the Great Hall of the People. Hipkins has said “topics such as climate change, economic stability, regional and global security, human rights, and the war in Ukraine will be discussed”. He’ll travel to Tianjin for the opening of the World Economic Forum’s “Annual Meeting of New Champions” and then to Shanghai for trade and tourism focused meetings.

With tensions simmering around the emergence of geopolitical and military alliances, China would likely express its disquiet at New Zealand looking to join, albeit on an affiliate or “pillar two” basis, the Aukus grouping of Australia, the US and the UK, said Sachdeva. “Having said that, if you look at Australia, which is one of the founding members of Aukus – it’s getting these nuclear powered submarines – actually, their relationship with China is improving. It’s not perfect, but it shows that being in the mix with these things does not necessarily spell doom or death to the idea of a strong trade relationship or relationship in other areas … You can disagree, in quite fundamental ways, without necessarily supervising the whole thing.”

Sam Sachdeva and the China Tightrope

Beyond the door-openings, photo-ops and the potential for a few incremental signed agreements, the challenge for Hipkins was “not being sucked into saying anything that could be … pushed by the Chinese state media and other outlets to promote the Chinese line on things like Aukus, like 5 Eyes”, said Sachdeva. 

Publications such as the Global Times and the People’s Daily had over recent years taken the opportunity “to drive a wedge between New Zealand and Australia”. A number of stories over recent years, when Australia was seen as being antagonistic, commentaries had appeared on the sites suggesting, “why can’t Australia be more like New Zealand and be more respectful of China and be more positive?” said Sachdeva. “So I think anything that feeds into that will be something for Hipkins to watch out for.”

That theme was present even before Hipkins left New Zealand. Asked about US President Joe Biden’s characterisation of Xi as a dictator, Hipkins said he disagreed, adding: “If they wanted to change their system of government, then that would be a matter for them.” That response made international headlines

Biden’s comments came following the completion of a major trip to China by secretary of state Anthony Blinken. Though Blinken had not secured his big goal, of reopening military lines of communication between the US and China, the visit had gone some way to thawing tensions between the two countries, said Sachdeva. “It’s good that you’ve got both sides, at least willing to talk and say, look, we need to keep things stable, even if we’re not going to suddenly become best of friends overnight.”

As to the nature of discussions between Blinken and the Chinese president, Sachdeva painted the nightmare scenario. “Maybe Blinken and Xi were exchanging beverage tips for Chris Hipkins. If you remember, Anthony Blinken ceremonially presented Chippy with a Coke Zero [during a US-Pacific Island summit] in Papua New Guinea, so he could pass that on. Sausage rolls and Coke Zeros in the Great Hall of the People. It would be quite a vibe.”


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Tiananmen square in Beijing, China. Photo: 123RF
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PoliticsJune 22, 2023

What do New Zealanders think about China ahead of Chris Hipkins’ visit?

Tiananmen square in Beijing, China. Photo: 123RF
Tiananmen square in Beijing, China. Photo: 123RF

Not many of us trust Beijing to act responsibly in the world – but we still really want Chinese yuan.

Less than a week out from prime minister Chris Hipkins’ visit to China — the first visit to our largest trading partner for a New Zealand prime minister since Jacinda Ardern’s 2019 trip — New Zealanders’ attitudes towards China remain mixed.

The key takeaways from the Asia New Zealand Foundation’s latest Perceptions of Asia and Asian Peoples survey show a continuing downward trend in New Zealanders viewing China as a friend, though perceptions have warmed since mid-2022 when China made assertive moves in the Pacific.

According to the survey, more New Zealanders (37%) view China as a “threat” than a “friend” (30%). Only Russia and North Korea were ranked as bigger threats, with 72% and 69% of Kiwis identifying the two countries as threats to New Zealand. Also consistent with previous recent surveys, New Zealanders have once again named Japan, Singapore and South Korea as our best friends in the region. These results, which are drawn from data collected in November 2022, are broadly in keeping with findings from 2021.

Not only do New Zealanders view China as a threat, they also see it as one of the least “trustworthy” major powers, with only 13% of respondents expressing having trust in China to ‘act responsibly in the world’. The statistic should be a cause for concern to policymakers in Beijing, says Jason Young, director of the New Zealand Contemporary China Research Centre at Te Herenga Waka. “I would hope that [Beijing] would reflect on that in the sense of maybe changing some of their behavior in the [Pacific] region.”

By contrast, New Zealanders see the United Kingdom and Japan as the most trustworthy major powers, with over 55% of respondents expressing “very high” or “high” trust in each of the two. These were followed by France, Germany and the United States.

College students watch the opening of the 19th Communist Party Congress in Huaibei, October 18, 2017. (Photo: STR/AFP/Getty Images)

While Perceptions of Asia surveys have shown a steadily downward trend in New Zealanders’ attitudes towards China since 2020, the most recent survey shows that public sentiment has, at least, warmed somewhat since a significant dip in mid-2022. The Asia New Zealand Foundation June 2022“mini-poll” found that only 13% of New Zealanders saw China as a friend, while 58% viewed it as a threat.

Jason Young points out that the survey does not go into detail on why New Zealanders’ impressions have shifted, but speculates that China’s actions in the South Pacific – including foreign minister Wang Yi’s Pacific tour and the signing of various agreements with Pacific nations, particularly a security agreement with the Solomon Islands –  in the first half of last year could likely provide some explanation for the June 2022 souring.

Although perceptions of China may have bounced back somewhat since this time last year, the general downwards trend remains clear. Also significant, almost two thirds of New Zealanders are at least “fairly concerned” about the potential for conflict over Taiwan, with 30% of Kiwis reporting to be “very” or “extremely” concerned.

Despite Kiwis’ concerns about China, the country still easily tops the list of the “most important” Asian countries for New Zealand’s future, with 72% of participants deeming it most important, followed by Japan (66%), Singapore (53%) and India (52%).

When asked what single country New Zealand should invest more energy and resources in building a stronger relationship with, China was second only to Australia, with 90% of those supporting stronger ties with China pointing to trade and economic opportunities. The United States came in third, with 84% noting its importance for security ties.

The vast majority of those surveyed are also supportive of building New Zealanders’ Asia capability, with 79% agreeing that it is important for New Zealand students to learn about Asia, including Asian languages – a finding of particular interest given recent announcements that Te Herenga Waka and University of Otago intend to cut jobs and courses across their languages departments.

PM Chris Hipkins is heading to Beijing next week. (Photo: Marty Melville/AFP via Getty Images)

So what do New Zealanders’ mixed feelings mean for the prime minister’s upcoming China visit?

With New Zealanders making clear the importance they place on building trade and economic ties with China, it is not surprising that official communications have emphasised that the visit is a business trade delegation, and will actively promote New Zealand’s Covid-19-hit education and tourism sectors. Young notes that framing the trip in this way increases the chances it will be largely supported by New Zealanders.

Young is quick to point out that while it is a good thing that New Zealanders are keen to see investment in growing our Asia and China capability, they may be viewing China through narrow economic lens. “It could be as simple as they think it’s important because they [China] buy our commodity exports. If that’s the answer, then I think that that’s a pretty shallow and superficial way of thinking about an important country.”

However, perhaps in acknowledgement of New Zealanders’ growing China concerns, Hipkins’ press release also notes that he intends to discuss climate change, human rights and regional security when meeting with president Xi Jinping and premier Li Qiang next week.