Frances Cook and Beth Vickers on Making Cents podcast
Frances Cook and Beth Vickers on Making Cents podcast

MoneyMarch 18, 2025

Side hustles to small business: How to make a ‘patchwork career’ work

Frances Cook and Beth Vickers on Making Cents podcast
Frances Cook and Beth Vickers on Making Cents podcast

Whether by choice or circumstance, a growing number of people are leaving ‘real jobs’ for more flexible modes of employment. Frances Cook spoke to one such self-employed slashie about how she’s made it work for her.

Beth Vickers never planned to run her own business. She had a solid, stable career, a climb-the-ladder mindset, and a firm belief that working harder would fix everything. 

Then motherhood happened. And redundancy. And a series of job attempts that made her question everything.

Now, she’s a vocal coach, professional singer, doula, and gardening influencer – a title so eclectic it sounds made up. But, as she told the Making Cents podcast, it means she’s able to work less, earn more, and, for the first time in years, actually like what she does.

Step 1: Hit the career wall – bonus points if you’re made redundant

“I was a career girl,” Beth said on Making Cents. “Like, proper career focused. I got into recruitment at 19 and had my sights set on becoming an executive someday. That was the dream.”

Then she had kids. And, well, the plan exploded. She tried to return to recruitment after her first baby, but it felt off. 

“I was constantly torn between my job and my kid. No one was winning. I was exhausted, I was getting sick all the time, and I just felt stuck.”

Kids demand a lot from you, and being tiny, adorable biohazards, also bring home colds like it’s their full-time job. But employers, even the “good” ones, still expect you to show up. “[The working world is] just not built for parents,” Beth said.

So she tried climbing higher, thinking maybe a better role would fix things. It didn’t. She switched jobs. That didn’t work either.

Then she got made redundant.

Step 2: Turn a side hustle into an escape route

Beth had accidentally started a side hustle before redundancy hit. Mid-flail in trying to fix the identity crisis caused by career changes, she’d headed off on a vocal retreat, to enjoy her years-long hobby of singing. 

Then the retreat instructor asked if she’d ever considered teaching singing herself. 

She hadn’t, feeling that she didn’t have the proper qualifications. But being asked to consider it by someone who she respected, made her realise that she didn’t need to wait for permission from others to do something she knew she had expertise in. So she started teaching a few students on the side, for fun. 

Then redundancy hit, and she was faced with a choice:

  1. Quit the side hustle, get a “real job” again
  2. Go all-in and see if she could make it work

The way she saw it, it wasn’t much of a choice. Time to see if she could make it work as a full-time business.

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Step 3: Get over the fear of being seen

For fun, she also started a gardening TikTok. As TikTok can do, some of her videos blew up, and soon she was getting offers for sponsored content videos. 

One of the biggest hurdles? Worrying what people would think.

“When I first started my gardening TikTok, I cringed. ‘What if people judge me? What if my friends see it?’”

Instead, it not only worked, but those who saw it were supportive, and it provided a second trickle of income that helped keep the singing teacher dream alive. 

Step 4: Embrace the ‘patchwork career’ model

By being willing to try out different income streams and see what stuck, Beth created a surprisingly sustainable business model. 

Singing lessons repeated each week, so became a version of a steady, subscription-based income. She also worked as a post-partum doula, offering support to new mums. This resulted in small periods of more intensive, highly paid work. The lump sums were welcome, but wouldn’t have been sustainable without the reliable singing teacher work. 

Professional singing tours were another source of intense work periods, for bigger pay, that otherwise wouldn’t have been reliable enough on their own. And TikTok brand deals provided pocket money for extra fun. 

Together, the multiple sources of work created stability and decent income. “It looks chaotic, but it’s actually more stable than my old job,” Beth says.

Step 5: Accept that you’ll be bad at first

You have to be bad, before you can be good. It’s a lesson we’d expect our kids to take on, but as adults, we can be really bad at allowing ourselves to suck at something for a while. 

But Beth had to allow herself to try things, knowing she might not be the best, and being willing to improve as she went. Otherwise she would never have had the confidence to start advertising her services in the many areas where she went into business. 

“You have to be OK with being bad at something first. Nobody starts out great.”

Beth says her guiding principal became “screw it, just try”. Turning 2024 into the year of “just try” meant she ended up building a business, and now she can’t ever see herself going back. 

It’s patchwork career, and self-employed life, for as long as she can make it work. And for now, at least, that means higher pay, lower working hours, and actually getting to spend time with her kids. 

For the full conversation, tune in to the latest Making Cents, the podcast for people who want financial freedom without giving up their coffee. 

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Frances Cook and Muhammad Lambat (Photo: Making Cents)
Frances Cook and Muhammad Lambat (Photo: Making Cents)

MoneyMarch 11, 2025

Faith meets finance: The investor helping Muslims navigate the money world

Frances Cook and Muhammad Lambat (Photo: Making Cents)
Frances Cook and Muhammad Lambat (Photo: Making Cents)

Halal investing presents a number of challenges, especially in New Zealand.

Can you be a good Muslim, and also have serious financial goals you want to hit? That’s the challenge Muhammad Lambat is tackling. 

And, he says, the answer is yes. 

As the founder and content creator behind @MuslimInvesting, he’s built a growing platform dedicated to breaking down halal investing; investing that aligns with Islamic finance principles. 

He has a Masters of Applied Finance, and has worked as an equity analyst, but even with a solid financial background he found applying those skills in a way that aligned with his faith quickly became complicated. 

Money can be difficult enough for the average person, but add in the need to respect religious principles, and it gets even harder to know what’s the right move to make. 

What’s ethical, fits those personal and religious values, but also lets you hit those all-important financial goals? 

As he researched, he began posting his work online to help others struggling with the same issue. 

His 125,000 Instagram followers now rely on him to help them figure it out, because as he explains, it’s an area where many struggle to even get started.

“I find that a lot of people think they can’t be a good Muslim and be wealthy,” he says. 

“There’s this misconception that money is the root of all evil, or that investing is somehow off-limits. But the reality is that many people just don’t know how to navigate the finance world while sticking to their faith.”

What makes investing different for Muslims?

On the Making Cents podcast, Lambat breaks down the halal investing difference into a few key principles:

  • No interest (riba). “This is a big one,” he says. “Islamic finance doesn’t allow paying or receiving interest, because it’s seen as an unfair exchange where one side benefits at the expense of another.”
  • Avoiding excessive risk and uncertainty (gharar). “Highly speculative investments, like gambling or extremely volatile stocks, aren’t allowed.”
  • Profit and loss sharing. “Instead of one party taking on all the risk, investments should be structured so both parties share in the profits and losses fairly.”
  • Ethical investing. “We avoid ‘sin industries’ like alcohol, tobacco, gambling, and weapons. It’s not just about making money. It’s about doing it in a way that benefits the community.”

Essentially, it comes down to achieving financial goals in a way that doesn’t unfairly advantage one side over the other. 

The specific problem of investing as a Muslim in New Zealand

One big roadblock for those who are based in New Zealand is the limited availability of halal financial products.

Take homeownership, for example. That issue with using interest-based products? It makes a mortgage fairly tricky.

“In a place like New Zealand, we basically have close to zero Islamic mortgage options,” Lambat says. “That makes it really difficult for Muslims who want to buy a home while staying within their faith.”

Islamic mortgages do exist, but they work differently from conventional loans. 

Instead of charging interest, the bank buys the property alongside the buyer, and the buyer gradually purchases the bank’s share over time, while also paying rent on the portion they don’t yet own.

There are a small number of options in New Zealand, but they’re more common in other countries, and can be difficult to access here.  

“They’re often stuck choosing between renting forever or taking on a conventional mortgage that conflicts with their beliefs,” Lambat explains.

Another challenge? Finding halal investment options.

Since most large companies deal with some form of interest as part of their business, it’s difficult to find stocks that fully comply with Islamic finance principles. 

To make it easier, many Muslim investors rely on halal stock screening tools, which filter companies based on their business activities and financial ratios.

“We also have halal ETFs (exchange-traded funds),” Lambat says. 

“For example, there’s a version of the S&P 500 that removes non-compliant companies, so you still get the benefits of a broad market investment, but in a halal way.”

Muhammad Lambat (Photo: Making Cents)

Misconceptions and backlash

Talking about money, especially faith-based money decisions, has led to Lambat facing some pushback online. 

He’s used to people challenging him on the specifics of Islamic finance. Some question whether certain investments are truly halal, while others accuse him of making up the rules.

“Even when I’m just explaining how something works – like Islamic mortgages – I get comments saying, ‘Did you come up with this yourself? This doesn’t make sense,’” he says. 

“People think I’m creating the rules when I’m just breaking them down in a way that’s easy to understand.”

Even within the Muslim community, there’s disagreement. 

While core principles like avoiding interest and excessive risk are widely accepted, the details get murky. Some scholars allow a company to earn up to 5% of its revenue from non-halal sources, recognising that avoiding it completely is nearly impossible in today’s economy. 

But others argue even that is too lenient, leading to heated debates.

Then, of course, there are pure and simple internet trolls – people who aren’t part of the Muslim community but take issue with anything labeled “Islamic.” 

Lambat deals with it by deliberately focusing on ways to keep the conversation constructive.

“If someone genuinely doesn’t understand, I’ll engage and try to explain it,” he says. “But if it’s just negativity for the sake of negativity, I don’t waste my energy.”

The irony is that the controversies often boost his reach.

His TikTok videos about Islamic mortgages, a subject he’s found to be one of the most contentious in Muslim finance, have racked up millions of views. The more people argue in the comments, the more the algorithm pushes his content. 

“It’s great for engagement,” he admits with a laugh.

At the end of the day, Lambat’s approach is simple: provide information, encourage discussion, and let people make their own choices. 

“No one is forced to invest this way,” he says. “I just want people to know their options.”

Strengths of halal investing

Despite the challenges, Lambat sees big benefits to investing in a way that aligns with his values.

“The companies we invest in tend to have lower debt and stronger fundamentals, because we screen out businesses that rely heavily on interest,” he says.

In fact, there’s research to suggest that halal-compliant investments can perform better during economic downturns, because they’re less leveraged and more financially stable.

“Islamic finance encourages wealth-building in a way that benefits the broader community,” he explains. 

“A big part of our system is zakat, where Muslims donate 2.5% of their net savings each year to support those in need.”

With Ramadan currently underway, many Muslims are now making those donations, so he’s once again online helping people understand the best ways to combine their donations with their overall financial goals.

For Lambat, halal investing isn’t just about following rules – it’s about encouraging people to build wealth in a way that aligns with their beliefs.

“It’s not about choosing between being religious or being wealthy. 

“It’s about learning how to do both, and understanding that financial security actually gives you more freedom to live according to your values.”

“The more people know, the more they can ask for change. And the more they ask for it, the more the financial world will have to adapt.”

Listen to the full conversation on the Making Cents podcast, available everywhere including Apple podcasts, Spotify and YouTube.