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SocietyFebruary 27, 2025

‘In the plastic bag he has four dead fish’: Readers share their dating stories

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Brynley Stent and Kura Forrester are documenting their cross-country quest to find love in the new Spinoff series, Bryn & Ku’s Singles Club. We asked readers to share their own stories about past dating experiences and finding love in Aotearoa.

‘Late, drunk, smelly’

We met on Tinder and agreed to meet up at Korean BBQ. He seemed really nice, and I thought at the very least I could meet a new friend! He turned up late, drunk, smelly, looking nothing like his photos, and spent the dinner slurring about how “I must be getting a bit worried” about running out of time to start a family (I’m 31). Just a nightmare from start to finish, and the audacity of some men never ceases to amaze. He messaged me afterwards, saying, “That was really great, and I think you’re hot”. Were we at the same dinner? Do you think I care what you think of how I look? My first and last Tinder date, lol. Terrible stuff and I’m pretty sure this is on the tame end of the bad date spectrum.

‘Just hold on’

Back in my uni days (which, let’s just say, weren’t exactly recent), I went on a first date with a guy I barely knew as his plus-one to the Uni Ball. I was nervous, so I borrowed my sister’s dress, let her do my makeup, and mentally prepared myself for an evening of mingling with total strangers.

To calm my nerves, I turned to the most logical solution – alcohol. Unfortunately, I may have overcommitted to this strategy.

After the ball came the afterparty. The nerve-calming continued at Shadows. After the afterparty, it was time to head home.

My date, who had remained stone-cold sober, was also my ride. As soon as we hit the motorway, I felt an urge to pee and politely asked if he could pull over so I could find a toilet… or a bush… anything. He refused. “Just hold on, I’ll get you home soon,” he said.

Let’s just say, I couldn’t hold on. Despite my increasingly desperate pleas, he kept driving, convinced I’d be fine. I wasn’t. Somewhere near Te Atatū, he finally relented and pulled off the motorway but by then, it was too late.

In my sister’s borrowed dress, in his front passenger seat, the floodgates had already opened. I never saw or heard from him again.

Brynley Stent and Kura Forrester are interacting warmly in a room. One wears a stylish coat, a hat, and long hair, while the other, with short hair, wears a shimmering black dress and a white fur coat. They appear surprised and happy, with arms raised in excitement.
Brynley Stent and Kura Forrester on their way to the ball in episode two of Singles Club (Image: The Spinoff)

‘I’m really glad I took you to the all-you-can-eat buffet’

I was a fledgling radio host in my 20s and interviewed a well-known visiting TV comedian one morning for a slot. It went well, and we had a lot of laughs and, yes, chemistry – and off-air, he asked me out for dinner, which I was excited to accept. We exchanged numbers, and later, he rang to see if I could pick him up from someplace he was playing tennis on the other side of the city and drive us to our date. OK. I collected him and asked where dinner was. He was like, “Well, the place I’m performing is covering my dinner at the casino, so we’ll go there.” So I’m giving him a lift for free to his free dinner. Seems legit.

The dinner itself was a fixed-price all-you-can-eat buffet. I was living in a shared flat, had no money, a massive student loan, and worked three jobs, so I made sure to take advantage of all the grilled prawns, steak and chicken breast wrapped in bacon I could, made a few trips to the salad bar, and had at least two mini tiramisus and a cheese plate. There was zero romance from him. In fact, he barely spoke to me. Afterwards, he wanted to head upstairs to the actual casino part, where he casually blew a few hundred smackers as I looked on, unable to participate, before asking if I could give him a lift to meet a mate, again in my old Nissan. I dropped him off, realising I’d pretty much been nothing more than his glorified Uber for the night, and he thanked me with a thinly veiled insult. “I’m really glad I took you to the all-you-can-eat buffet. Because you clearly made the most of it.”

‘They pulled out an ID and showed it to me like I should be impressed’

I had been chatting with this person for a couple of weeks. Friendly enough. Got a little bit flirty. I am not good at flirting. A few days before we finally met, there was a red flag when they said, “I am pro-choice, so I am not vaccinated”. We agreed to meet at a restaurant. Friends had told me to text “help”, and they would call me if I needed an out. During our time chatting, I told them a story about a security incident at work when a kid threatened our security guard with a knife. When I met this person, they were short and very “cocky”. At one stage, they pulled out an ID and showed it to me like I should be impressed. It turned out it was a security ID, and apparently, their level of security training was far above what our work security guard would have. They also told me that if they had been involved in the incident that our security guard had been in and threatened with a knife by a kid, they would have stood their ground and said, “Come at me”. Needless to say, there was no other meeting after this one.

‘I even have the fish to prove it’

I had been messaging a guy on a dating app for a week, he was in town as an actor at the pop-up Globe (here for a good time not a long time) the chat was great and we teed up a date (yipeeee).

The day of the date arrives, and I confirm we are on to meet at 5.30pm at a bar in Ellerslie – confirmed. At 5.15, I get a message saying, “Sorry for running a bit late”, to which I reply, “No worries, how late are you? I can work for a bit longer”. He replies 15 mins later, “about 15 mins away”. Me: “All good”. With 5 mins until he has said he will arrive, I head to the bar, sit down, and do the classic “yeah, no, I am meeting a friend. I’ll wait till they arrive”. Fifteen mins later, still no sign of him, so I send another message: “Are you close?”. He replies: “Yep, 5 – 10 away”. ANOTHER 20 MINUTES LATER, I see him running down the street carrying a plastic bag. He jumps the fence into the bar and, sitting opposite me, says, “I am so sorry I am late. I was out fishing and got stuck out there. I even have the fish to prove it”. In the plastic bag, he has four dead fish. WTF.

I then put all of my existing data on him aside, and we start having one of the best and funniest first conversations I had ever had on a first date. After 25 minutes, he jumps up and declares he’s gotta run to make up as he was on stage soon. I am slightly jarred but concede work is work, and off he goes.

With no in-between conversation, the next day, he texted me and said, “Hey look, I am not looking for anything serious, so I don’t think we can meet up again”. I am very confused as I didn’t think we had a single serious conversation, but roll with the punches.

I still think of this man semi-frequently and often wonder what happened to the fish. Did they stink out the pop-up Globe that night?

Crashing a wedding reception

On a first date with my friend’s flatmate we ended up crashing a wedding reception at the Morningside Tavern. We enjoyed some free drinks, canapés and a dance with some of the guests for about half an hour before we were embarrassingly asked to leave by wait staff who spotted that we weren’t guests. Best first date ever!

A bad FIVE HOUR first date

This is my friend’s story but a favourite. She went on a date with a woman who she very quickly established was terribly boring, but then proceeded to have a FIVE-HOUR date with her because she felt too bad to call it off. And also because: lesbians.

‘All he really wanted to talk about was tripping on shrooms’

From the get-go, this started out poorly because this guy asked me out right after my friend was loaded into an ambulance. It was the second year of uni and my friend who has Type 1 diabetes had had too much to drink. Some other friends and I were concerned that she had low blood sugar and wasn’t in the right state of mind to deal with it, so we called an ambulance.

Just as the ambulance was pulling away, this guy, I’ll call him Dan, walked by and decided it was a good time to ask me out. We had met the previous year at a party thrown by my friend Michael who had had a crush on Dan. This was six months later, and both the timing and my incorrect assumptions about his sexuality left me a bit blindsided when he asked: “Would you like to go out to coffee sometime?”

So I said nothing for the first few seconds and then said: “Suuuure.”

He replied: “Well, that wasn’t very enthusiastic.” I had to backtrack and talk about my friend having to go to the hospital as an explanation for my answer. I didn’t think I wanted to date him, but I thought I might as well give him a chance.

A week or so later, we had plans to go for coffee at a cafe on campus. I had asked to meet there, hoping the location would signal that this was casual. And because it was on campus, several of my friends were there by chance, and I felt like they would give me silent moral support.

However, we had settled on meeting at 3pm, and I hadn’t realised that the cafe closed then. So when he showed up, they weren’t serving drinks anymore. I asked if he wanted to go somewhere else so we could get coffee. His response? “Oh, I don’t drink coffee.” (very strange from a man who had asked me to coffee). Then I asked if maybe he wanted to get another hot beverage. And he still said no. So we just sat at the table with nothing to do, as the cafe emptied of people aside from my friends.

I tried to strike up a conversation about what he was doing the rest of the afternoon, and he told me that he had class at 4pm. I was a bit surprised because he looked like he’d just rolled out of bed, and he hadn’t brought anything with him except a small crumpled paper bag that he placed under his chair.

All he really wanted to talk about was his amazing experience tripping on shrooms the previous weekend.

Thankfully, the date lasted less than an hour because he had to print an assignment for class. After he was gone, I immediately went to a table where some of my friends were and started talking to them about how poorly it had gone. A minute later, Dan walked back into the cafe. I went bright red and prayed he hadn’t heard me. I couldn’t say anything as he walked over to the chair where he’d sat, retrieved the small paper bag, and walked out again.

I still wonder what was in that paper bag. I sort of hope it was more shrooms and that they helped him forget that entire experience. I certainly wish I could.

Stories have been slightly edited for clarity.

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SocietyFebruary 27, 2025

Help Me Hera: Should I have children?

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The more I think about it, the more confused I feel. Is this a sign I’m not ready?

Want Hera’s help? Email your problem to helpme@thespinoff.co.nz

Dear Hera,

I’ve been thinking about it for a year and I still can’t decide if I want to try to become a parent. I’m in my early 30s so the decision is not yet urgent, but becoming more so. I see the appeal of both being a parent *and* choosing to remain childfree. I’ve been talking to friends (both parents and non-parents) about it, and I’ve been reading endlessly about the experiences of both sides, but all this research only seems to have pulled me deeper into indecision. Bringing kids into a burning world such as this one terrifies me. Not getting a full night’s sleep for three or so years also terrifies me. But I can also see the potential for immense joy, wonder and creativity.

I’m in a relationship and lucky to be relatively financially stable. My partner feels similar to me, and essentially said it’s my decision since I’m the one who would have to carry another human inside my body.

If I’m having to ponder this so much, does this mean I actually *don’t* want this? Do I just crave the certainty of someone who has always known what they want? I’m curious about parenthood – but is this only because I’m scared of missing out on some kind of essential human experience?! Do I actually like babies? Sometimes – but they also scare me.

Sincerely,

Undecided!

Dear Undecided,

I’ve reviewed your letter carefully, weighed up the pros and cons, and am happy to tell you that you should definitely have children. Twin boys, in fact. Named Excelsior and Blade.  

Setting aside the caveat that I might be the single worst person to answer this particular question, I wanted to give you a brief moment of fraudulent certainty, because it sounds like you’re getting splinters from sitting on the fence for so long.  

Obviously I can’t answer this question for you. But I don’t think your inability to decide means you secretly don’t want kids.  I think it’s a reflection of the fact that for most of human history, children were something that happened to you, whether you liked it or not. Birth control, abortion rights, changing social expectations, financial independence, women’s liberation, not needing to raise seven burly sons to plough the beet fields – all of these developments have made parenthood a lot more optional than it used to be. Some people are lucky enough to know what they want, but these people occupy a small minority, and everyone else has to hedge their bets and take the same leap of faith.

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In regards to the burning world, I understand your concern, but it pays to remember the perilous circumstances most of our ancestors were born into. Whenever I feel convinced we’re in a uniquely fucked situation, I think of the babies born during plagues, famines, wars and ice ages. The future may be frightening, but at least it’s not the past. Climate change is a grave existential threat, but so was giving birth before the invention of the caesarean section.

As for the sleep problem – I have nothing consoling to add. It is what it is, and what it is (according to 99% of sources) is brutal. 

One of the reasons this question is so hard to answer is nobody has any idea what having children will be like until it’s already too late. It’s hard to trust the advice of others, which is frequently contradictory, full of hidden agendas, and not always entirely honest. Even when the advice is genuine, it’s definitely not one-size-fits-all.  

I’ve heard some people say you shouldn’t have kids until you’re absolutely 100% certain that you want them. I’ve talked to others who never wanted kids but had kids anyway, and whose lives were transformed by joy. We’ve all read the anonymous think-pieces from people who secretly regret their decision, and heard stories from friends who said that if they truly understood what having children entailed before they would never have done it and yet are glad they did anyway. Ask someone who has adult children and someone who has two kids under the age of five, and they’re sure to give you completely different answers. It’s equally hard to talk about deciding to be child-free, both because your curiosity is never really satisfied and because “childfree” is a hideous term, that sounds like some kind of luxury allergy. 

None of this is particularly helpful. But I do think it’s impossible to truly make an informed decision. You could spend years researching the facts and interrogating your deepest desires and you’ll still never really be prepared. Even people who have always dreamed of kids, and spent their childhoods begging for dolls that shit themselves must still make the leap into the same unknowable abyss. 

I can’t tell you what to do. But I do think you sound very alone in this and would like to recommend your partner gets a bit more involved in the decision-making process. 

I appreciate they’re trying to be understanding by acknowledging that pushing a human out of your body is, as a concept, completely fucked. But it sounds like you could use some help here. It’s scary to make a unilateral life-shaping decision, without any real enthusiasm coming from the person you’re planning to share a life with. If your partner came to you and said “I really do/don’t want this”, would that feel like a relief or unwanted pressure? There’s a fine line between politeness and apathy, and seeing as they’re the only other person who is actually qualified to weigh in on this, I think they have a responsibility, both to themselves and to you, to partake in some genuine soul-searching. Even if it doesn’t make your joint decision any easier, it would be nice to feel you had an ally during this process. 

Whatever you decide, I don’t think there’s necessarily any such thing as a “wrong decision.” Whatever you choose, I believe you can find a way to make it right for you. You might decide you want to and not get what you want. You might not want to, and find it happens anyway. Either way, it’s all about the execution. But stop trying to hash this one out alone. Your body, your choice is an affirmation of bodily autonomy, not a cop out.