Microsoft’s Chimene Bonhomme and AUT’s Mahsa Mohaghegh, guests in this episode of Actually Interesting
Microsoft’s Chimene Bonhomme and AUT’s Mahsa Mohaghegh, guests in this episode of Actually Interesting

PartnersJune 18, 2019

Actually Interesting podcast: A.I. is everywhere – we just don’t notice it

Microsoft’s Chimene Bonhomme and AUT’s Mahsa Mohaghegh, guests in this episode of Actually Interesting
Microsoft’s Chimene Bonhomme and AUT’s Mahsa Mohaghegh, guests in this episode of Actually Interesting

In the first episode of The Spinoff’s new monthly podcast, Actually Interesting, Russell Brown explores the world of A.I. and the way it’s already affecting our lives.

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When you hear the words “Artificial Intelligence” your mind might turn to science fiction – a vast army of robots with aspirations to rule over us – but we already experience AI in our lives every day. When Netflix recommends something we might like, Facebook recognises us in a picture or Spotify builds us a playlist, that’s AI at work.

In the first episode of Actually Interesting, brought to you by Microsoft, I talk to AUT’s Mahsa Mohaghegh and Microsoft big data and AI expert Chimene Bonhomme about what AI, algorithms and machine learning actually are – and what they imply for our future.

We also talk about the way that AI works is a product of the assumptions – conscious or unconscious – of the people who design the rules. (That’s what algorithms are: sets of rules.) And the problems that can create when humans are teaching machines about the world.

“Algorithmic bias is the systematic and unfair discrimination or favour towards a certain group,” says Mahsa. “And it’s largely unconscious at the computing level, but in reality, it’s just a reflection of unconscious bias at the development point – or a lack of diversity on development teams.

“Unconscious bias at the human level is coded into the computer system. And one of the easiest ways to tackle it is at the human level. So the more diverse your development team is, you will enter less bias into your dataset.

L – R: Actually interesting host Russell Brown, with Microsoft’s Chimene Bonhomme, and AUT’s Mahsa Mohaghegh.

The same issues are explored – and expanded on by experts in this week’s University of Otago report on government and AI, which focuses on predictive algorithms. The report says that “some degree of input from those most likely to be adversely affected by algorithmic decisions” will be “vital” as official use of this kind of AI expands, and cites research into diversity training.

But Mahsa has a more down-to-earth example:

“A few years back when I was at Google, some friends were telling me a story about the YouTube app. So when they released the YouTube app in iOS and people started uploading video to YouTube, they noticed that a big proportion of the videos were upside-down. So the reason for that is that if you’re right-handed you hold the phone in a way that your camera is up and if you’re left-handed you hold your phone so the camera is down. They didn’t have any left-handed person in the development team, let alone the testing team, to check that!

“Diversity is not only gender diversity, it’s ethnicity, culture, age. So the more diverse your team, the better the performance.”

Chimene – who is “Chinese-Irish-Australian” cited another example: the facial recognition technology at airport border control that instructed one subject to “open your eyes” for scanning. He was, but he was Asian. His eyes were a different shape to those of the faces the machine had been trained on. Yes, it was fixed and no real harm was done. But it could have been fixed before deployment.

AI now does things – facial-recognition included – that only a few years ago some people thought it would never be able to do. It holds extraordinary promise. But we shouldn’t ever forget the simple truth that what you get out of AI is all about the assumptions you put in.

Cultural issues are also entwined in the way AI presents itself. You might have noticed that the voices of digital assistants like Siri and Alexa are almost always female – and, by nature of the job they do, subservient. That was highlighted in a Unesco report last week. One solution: the genderless AI voice.

Chimene says another solution is simply expanding choices: “when I got my new iPhone I changed Siri to an Irish, male voice, because I thought that would be funny.” And maybe she’s onto something. It’s already possible to buy Snoop Dogg as a voice option for in-car GPS systems. Why not go the whole way and have Snoop tell you the weather forecast and the state of the financial markets?

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Pigs on a farm in Linquan county, Fuyang, last year, after African swine fever was confirmed in China (Photo: VCG/VCG via Getty Images)
Pigs on a farm in Linquan county, Fuyang, last year, after African swine fever was confirmed in China (Photo: VCG/VCG via Getty Images)

KaiJune 17, 2019

African swine fever is seriously scary: here’s why you should care

Pigs on a farm in Linquan county, Fuyang, last year, after African swine fever was confirmed in China (Photo: VCG/VCG via Getty Images)
Pigs on a farm in Linquan county, Fuyang, last year, after African swine fever was confirmed in China (Photo: VCG/VCG via Getty Images)

Welcome to the Cheat Sheet, a clickable, shareable, bite-sized FAQ on the news of the moment. Today, it’s all about African swine fever and the pending aporkalypse.

TL;DR: It’s “the biggest animal disease outbreak the planet the planet has ever faced”, and Kiwi pork lovers need to do their bit to protect our local pigs.

African swine fever – wasn’t that the flu we were all scared of getting 10 years ago?

Nope, totally different things. African swine fever (ASF) is a viral illness that can only infect pigs – it poses absolutely no threat to humans. The swine flu pandemic in 2009 was the H1N1 or H3N2 virus, sometimes called Influenza A, which was first transmitted to humans by pigs around 20 years go. The illnesses aren’t related, other than both being viral infections.

ASF isn’t a new thing either: it first appeared in 1907 in Kenya. It was contained in Africa until the late 1950s, when it spread to Portugal and then had a few outbreaks in Europe up until the 1980s. Everyone thought it was pretty under control for a while, but over the past five years there have been lots of new outbreaks in Europe and Russia, and then in August last year it was confirmed in China.

Right, so what’s the big deal about China getting it?

The appetite for pork in China is massive – and half of the world’s pork production happens there. In 2018 they produced about 54 million metric tonnes of pork. And in the past six months, they’ve cut that production by 30% – about the equivalent of all the pork produced in the United States. It means that the entire world pork supply is about to be squeezed by increased Chinese import demand and decreased Chinese pork exports.

Hang on, what does ‘cut production’ mean?

Rabobank, which does a lot of work in the agro-economics space, reported in April that ASF has been confirmed in nearly every province in mainland China and affects between 150 and 200 million pigs. It’s hard to get a handle on what ‘affecting’ means, but it’s safe to surmise that an affected pig will either be showing signs of infection, or from a farm area where other pigs are showing signs of infection. Either way, those pigs are not long for this earth. Euthanising pigs is part of cutting production, and it also means those farms that have eliminated pigs won’t be in a hurry to fill up again.

Pigs infected with African swine fever are destroyed during an outbreak in Russia in 2009 (Photo: STR/AFP/Getty Images)

But if the virus can’t infect humans, why are the pigs being euthanised?

In short, because ASF is an animal welfare crisis. It doesn’t pass as rapidly as some other pig viruses, but once a pig has it… it’s pretty bad. There are three paths the virus can take – in its acute, and most common, form the pigs can experience high fevers, loss of appetite, internal bleeding, bloody diarrhoea and vomiting, coughing and laboured breathing – and after one to two weeks it’s basically unsurvivable. Sub-acute infections present with less severe symptoms, with mortality of between 30-70% of infected pigs within seven weeks, and any pigs that survive will remain contagious for the rest of their lives. Chronic forms of the infection are less common, and cause weight loss, fevers, coughing and skin ulcers – and again, surviving pigs are contagious for the rest of their lives. When a pig passes on the virus, what path it takes depends on the immune system of the freshly infected pig.

Yuck. So we don’t have this here in New Zealand, do we?

At this stage, no.

Great, so being an island in the South Pacific saves us again!

Not so fast. While ASF doesn’t spread between pigs as catastrophically as some other viruses, it is incredibly persistent in the environment and in contaminated pork, meaning we need to be looking pretty hard at what is coming across our border. MPI seems sure that the most likely biosecurity hazard is undeclared pork products coming in with travellers, and we need to make absolutely certain that no pig farmers are feeding their pigs food scraps to eliminate the risk of any infected pork coming into contact with our local pig population – including wild pigs.

It is not a massive threat for the commercial farms – their livelihoods are at stake so their biosecurity planning is already very strict – but for hobby farmers and wild pigs, it’s a real risk. A nightmare scenario is believed to have played out in Belgium, where pigs were infected after a traveller discarded a ham sandwich, containing ham from an infected pig, on the roadside, and it was found and eaten by a roaming pig, starting an outbreak that has almost ruined their local pork industry.

What can non-farming New Zealanders do to keep our local pigs safe?

The most straightforward answer is this: only buy pork farmed in New Zealand. We know our herd is disease free, but despite MPI’s best assurances, no one can put their hand on their heart and say infected pork is not crossing the border. Australia has intercepted infected pork at its border, but we don’t have information from local authorities about what they are testing that has been picked up here.

Lots of New Zealanders are rightly appalled by many aspects of industrial-scale factory farming, but this welfare issue dwarfs the misery of intensive practices for pigs. If we don’t take action to keep our local pigs safe, it doesn’t matter how they are farmed, they will suffer.

This content was created in paid partnership with Freedom Farms. Learn more about our partnerships here