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SocietyAugust 2, 2017

Dr Jackie Blue has some information for Mark Richardson

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Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue has some strong words for those asking about Jacinda Ardern’s intentions with her womb.

As many women will have predicted, it was only a matter of time before media coverage of Jacinda Ardern’s rise to leader of the labour party was overtaken by discussion about her womb and whether she intended to use it to carry children.

Male hosts of two TV3 shows made it very clear to their audiences that they would desperately like to know what Jacinda’s intentions for her womb were. One even suggested that all women should be asked the question when applying for a role. And therein lies the problem. Because quite frankly, whether a woman intends on having children or not, is none of their bloody business. Oh, and by the way, it’s illegal to ask those questions as they breach the Human Rights Act.

Women face enough unconscious and conscious bias when they make it into the workplace without having another layer of bias thrown in the mix when they are interviewing for the job. According to Stats NZ, the gender pay gap between working dads and working mums is 17% compared with a gap of only 5% for non-parents. Women pay a high price for being mothers in the workforce.

Several studies have shown that the gender pay gaps rises markedly when women take on caring responsibilities. In fact, for women, it is virtually impossible to recover any ground they lose while taking on caring responsibilities. This will continue until the culture within our workplaces changes and it will continue until our tv show hosts stop implying that having children will render a woman incapable of doing her job.

One host, who appears to have attended boy scouts as a youth, insisted that asking women the question about future plans for their womb in an employment interview was about preparedness. “Because you might desperately want that person, because they are going to be a great employee – you need to be able to prepare in advance. Everyone needs to be able to prepare in advance.”

This is where we absolutely must change the conversation around having children.

As part of the Commission’s $600k gap project, we collected feedback and stories from women on issues and barriers they had faced in the workplace.

Being a mother in the workplace was a common theme – namely the struggles many had had with navigating prickly and inflexible employers when it came to having children. Concerningly, many of those women wanted to remain anonymous, for no other reason than that they felt their employer would treat them negatively for sharing their personal story.

And that’s exactly what needs to change.

Employers need to be adaptable and they need to be flexible. They need to be creating environments where having children isn’t seen as a nuisance or a hassle. Environments where having a womb doesn’t preclude a person from doing their job. Environments that value great employees and respect the idea that having children and a career isn’t founded on compromise.

Employers who are already making those adjustments to internal mindsets and are working to create those sorts of environments are the ones that will always come out on top. They value the contribution of their employee and in turn, their employee feels valued and works harder. They become the employer of choice.

Employers should be prepared for their employees, of any gender to have children, but their preparedness should not be the result of an answer to an interview question. There are a lot of words that could be used to describe the hiring practice proposal made by TV hosts in the past 24 hours, but at the Commission we call it discrimination and illegal.

Anyone who is keen to find out more on what employers can and can’t ask in an interview, should check out our A-Z Pre-Employment Guide for Employers and Employees


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SocietyJuly 31, 2017

On suicide, on kiwi stigma, and on love: a school headmaster speaks to his boys

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A moving address on the subject of suicide, caring and love, delivered during assembly at New Plymouth Boys’ High School, Te Kura Tamatane Ongamotu, by headmaster Paul Verić, has been creating waves online. Here we republish it in full, with permission.

I have been thinking about this topic for some time, boys, and, to be really honest with you, I haven’t been sure how to tackle it – I am still not. I am not at all funny like Mike King, I am certainly not famous, and I am probably not considered a very emotional person (to those who don’t know me), so it’s a tough topic for me.

But there is something concerning me. It concerns all teachers and all parents. There is something concerning all New Zealanders at present, a concern about a word that every day appears in the news, print, online, and video media:

Suicide.

Some say that we shouldn’t talk about it, that talking about it gives it attention – gives it focus. Well, I say it already has focus, it already has profile. It has profile for all the wrong reasons.

Every boy here will undoubtedly know someone who is struggling, or has struggled so much, they just don’t know what to do.

Not many things scare me, boys. I don’t lie awake at night worrying about that many things. I sleep very well, other than on this one topic. This one word deeply concerns me. It makes me feel sad, helpless, and guilty that we should have done more. What did we do wrong to not help that young person get back on track? That word. That terrible word. That word that shouldn’t even exist as a concept – shouldn’t be even required in our vocabulary.

Suicide.

This word upsets me because I see potential in every life. I see possibilities. I see opportunity and I see hope and aspiration. No situation, no circumstance can ever, in my opinion, ever be stronger than the ability for anyone to recover from adversity, pain, or despair. There is always hope and always something to live for.

The health and wellbeing of youth in this country is very concerning. I am not sure we are actually addressing it appropriately, as a country or as communities. I say this because every day I hear of a young person who is struggling in some way. Struggling so much they feel helpless. They feel alone.

It seems unbelievable to me that New Zealand is leading the world in negative statistics around the health and wellbeing of young people. We live in paradise. We enjoy some of the best living conditions in the world, the healthiest living conditions, and yet, for some of us, we are so troubled.

Struggling is normal. Having a bad day is normal. Being unhappy sometimes is normal. Not feeling like you can face it is something we all need to own and do something about.

I am so encouraged by the willingness of young men and women to talk more openly about their feelings and I want to remind each and every one of you that there are people you can talk to who are safe, confidential, and ready to support you. Please ask. Please talk about the things that are concerning you. Our guidance team is just one of the many safe places you can go to.

If your best friend is struggling, you don’t have to fix it on your own. We are all in this together. Everyone working together, focussing on small changes and improvements, means a happier, safer school.

Rather than talk about the negatives further, I am going to talk about the positives and another word we rarely mention. We are quick to mention suicide or depression in conversations, but there is a word less heard and more frightening in our vocabulary, especially in a traditional boys’ school context.

Love.

Yes, it’s thrown around, but it’s a word we joke or snigger about sometimes. Often used incorrectly, the word “love” is misunderstood and not used correctly nearly enough. It’s not used with sincerity and, more importantly, not backed up with action that demonstrates love.

I was struggling with a way to explain the concept of love, and although I am not personally religious, a religious saying sums up best what I am trying to say. “Love thy neighbour.” It’s a simple, yet effective statement. It sums up love in a way that we should use it, but don’t.

Love the people around you. Show love, give love. We don’t love enough. Nor is it talked about enough.

The Kiwi way, the Kiwi male way especially, is conditioned to not say “I love you”. Blokes need to “harden up”, to “toughen up’. You don’t want to show what is perceived as weakness or, to use highly offensive phrases, like being a “sissy” or “being a girl” about it. If you have a good mate you make fun of him, you have banter. It’s what we do; most of us are guilty of that – me included.

You may feel uncomfortable about this speech and the common reaction when you are uncomfortable is to joke about it, tease, elbow your mate – “The headmaster just said ‘love’. Weirdo.” Or you might run around in the playground saying “I love you” with no sincerity. You are simply doing this because society has trained you to be uncomfortable around the word “love”. Society has conditioned you to reject it. It’s not your fault. But don’t be scared of love. Be brave, and shake the stigma and immaturity we have as a country. Be more adult than the adults who also struggle with this more than you may realise.

Love is a word you need to understand. You need to get comfortable with it. If we have any chance of reversing the trend of young people feeling helpless, we have a greater chance of overcoming it by caring for each other.

Love your parents. Love your friends. Love thy neighbour. Equally importantly, accept the love from others. Don’t reject it or push it away. Soak it in like the warming rays of sun on your back on a summer’s day.

Now I am not expecting you to run around the playground saying “I love you” to your mates. I expect your teachers won’t say, “thanks for your homework and by the way, I love you”. But love is the only word I can find, the only word I can use, to get through to you how much we actually care for you.

Don’t mistake love for getting your own way, or for everything being fair and kind. Life is hard sometimes. People who love you may make decisions you don’t like.

Those decisions could be not allowing you to go somewhere, or not allowing you to act in a certain way. If you love someone, you want to keep them safe and you want to teach them to be a good person. If you love someone, you might need to give them some feedback they don’t want to hear, but need to hear.

We are tough at this school because we care about you. How do I know you are cared for? You only need to see the care and compassion for our students when something goes horribly wrong – a parent very sick, a traumatic injury.

Love is not soft. Love is not easy. It’s hard, as it requires both strength and vulnerability at the same time, and doing the right thing, not the easy thing, for those you love and those that love you.

Everyone here is cared for. Everyone has people who love them. Your teachers care for you. This school loves you, as I know many of you love this school and, if you don’t at the moment, it is likely that you will look back and realise that, actually, you did – you just didn’t realise it at the time.

If you are struggling, it’s OK. I want each and every one of you to know that you have friends, family, and a school community that deeply cares for you, even if we don’t show it – even if we don’t openly express it. We simply don’t do this enough, and as adults we need to step up. We need to do better if we are to expect you follow our lead. Also, remember time is a tremendous healer – how you feel today, I can assure you, will be different to how you feel next month and next year.

Accept love, and, if you are in the position to give love, to love thy neighbour, then do it. Too many of us only show love when it is too late – at a funeral, or after a life-changing event.

Life is precious.

Please know that each and every one of you is special. Please support each other and those around you.

How can you do this?

  1. Give your family a hug when you get home – just because!
  2. Say “thanks” to those you care about. Show your appreciation – just becausel
  3. If you’re worried about a mate or a family member, open the door – ask are they doing OK – just because!

You are precious.

You are worth it.

You can work through any of life’s challenges.

You are cared for.


For information about preventing suicide, see mentalhealth.org.nz/suicideprevention

Where to get help:

Lifeline – 0800 543 354

Suicide Crisis Helpline (open 24/7) – 0508 828 865 (0508 TAUTOKO)

Depression Helpline  – 0800 111 757 – this service is staffed 24/7 by trained counsellors

Samaritans  – 0800 726 666

Youthline (open 24/7) – 0800 376 633. Text 234 for free between 8am and midnight, or email talk@youthline.co.nz.

0800 WHATSUP (0800 9428 787) – Open between 1pm and 10pm on weekdays and from 3pm to 10pm on weekends. Online chat is available from 7pm to 10pm every day at www.whatsup.co.nz.

Healthline – 0800 611 116

For more information about support and services available to you, contact the Mental Health Foundation’s free Resource and Information Service on 09 623 4812 during office hours or email info@mentalhealth.org.nz


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