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Corin Dann moderates a debate during the 2017 campaign. Photo: Getty
Corin Dann moderates a debate during the 2017 campaign. Photo: Getty

Pop CultureMay 16, 2018

With $38m on the table, TVNZ suddenly remembers how to do public broadcasting

Corin Dann moderates a debate during the 2017 campaign. Photo: Getty
Corin Dann moderates a debate during the 2017 campaign. Photo: Getty

The state-owned broadcaster has long resisted public service. Yet with $38m on the table, and the government’s relationship with RNZ rocky, moving Q+A to primetime could be be seen as a deftly timed olive branch

The press release, under the headline “TVNZ powers up primetime political coverage”, came out at 3:25pm yesterday afternoon – until recently about as prominent a time slot as politics could hope to achieve in New Zealand outside of close proximity to an election.

Yet the release, which talked about TVNZ “showing its commitment to political coverage”, was about much more than rescheduling a TV show. The shift of its flagship politics show Q+A from Sunday morning to evening is a bold strategic move. It’s also a clear signal to this government that TVNZ is no longer the headstrong child stubbornly resisting direction, but is in fact more than willing to listen when there are incentives to do so. Especially, perhaps, 38,000,000 incentives.

The background is this: when last in government Labour was persistently infuriated by TVNZ’s refusal to act like a state broadcaster and deliver what it considered important works of current affairs and culture to the people. To help push it toward this Helen Clark’s government introduced the “charter” in 2003, which enshrined some non-commercial outcomes and provided a $15m annual funding boost to help achieve them.

TVNZ, for its part, focused near-entirely on its bottom line – returning an after tax profit of $19.4m in 2008. Infamously, it used charter funding to successfully bid on the 2008 Olympics in Beijing.

When National came to power late in 2008, it announced the charter a failure (which wasn’t entirely unfair, it having been rejected by its host), and rolled the annual $15m into an NZ on Air platinum fund – used to create premium products which the agency wouldn’t ordinarily be able to back, like… Q+A.

The political current affairs show, along with its similarly oriented counterpart Newshub Nation on Three, has always been at the heart of the infuriating enigma of the NZ on Air model. Which is to say that it produces some excellent products, made for the right reasons and with genuine civic values at their heart – and then the public and funding agency watches aghast as they’re played mid-morning Saturday and Sunday, timeslots destined to ensure minimal audience and engagement outside of the tiny political tragic demographic.

This has long-enraged a relatively small yet vocal contingent who view state-owned mass communication rather like Lord Reith, the legendary founder of the BBC, who thought it should inform, educate and entertain – in that order – and was famously disdainful of anything popular for its own sake. In New Zealand there is a long cultural memory of state controlled broadcasting – which lasted until the radical reforming 80s – and a perpetual grumbling at various pitches of prominent people wanting a return to that era.

It reached its apex in 2006, when an open letter was published in the Herald saying that, due to the commercial model, “New Zealanders get the worst deal of any in the western world”, and asking “remember Closer to Home? McPhail & Gadsby? Gallery?”.

It was signed by 31 prominent New Zealanders, including five knights, four dames, a cardinal and a QC, and sought “radical change”. It did not get it.

Latterly a similar sentiment has assembled under the umbrella of the Coalition for Better Broadcasting (now known as the Better Public Media trust), part of whose initial manifesto talked about disavowing anything which “treats audiences like idiots”. Not hard to imagine what they think of Dancing with the Stars.

Neither Helen Clark nor John Key were profoundly moved by the letter nor the coalition, yet the desire never went away. For the past few years they have had a key sympathiser in Clare Curran, formerly opposition spokesperson for broadcasting, but since October the minister for broadcasting, communications and digital media. And, in Paul Thompson’s galvanised RNZ, a radio product which not only largely fits their ideal, but is growing in listeners and online viewers as a result.

So, when part of the then-opposition Labour party’s policy platform included a $38m boost to public broadcasting, the coalition and its sympathisers applauded. The spectre of RNZ+, including more digital and even a television channel, was particularly well-received. “RNZ+ will become the multi-platform public service operator we need for the digital future,” the CBB chair Peter Thompson said at the time. “Labour’s policy will redress the current government’s short-sighted decision to shutdown [late ad-free channel] TVNZ 7.”

He went on to note that “crucially, this is not a return to the confusing dual commercial/public remit of the TVNZ Charter.” Indeed, TVNZ was notably shunned by the new policy, mentioned only as a services provider for the new RNZ+ – one in which Labour had so little trust that pointedly talked about those services being provided “at audited and transparent cost with an agreed margin”.

That was nine months ago. In the intervening time things have gotten pretty spicy. There was that meeting at Astoria café, which eventually led to senior RNZ exec Carol Hirshfeld’s resignation. That led to an extraordinary select committee appearance by outgoing RNZ chair Richard Griffin. RNZ has even appeared somewhat non-committal about the prospect of starting a linear TV channel in an era when the format is in reasonably rapid decline. And all the while there has been a private battle being waged between NZ on Air and RNZ about who will control how much of that $38m. (Whether the full $38m materialises in tomorrow’s budget remains to be seen: recent whisperings suggest it may be closer to $25m.)

TVNZ must have watched this chaos with some satisfaction. Now, having endured some internal political reporting ructions of its own, it has beefed up its press gallery team with excellent reporters from within (Seven Sharp’s Maiki Sherman) and without (RNZ’s Benedict Collins), and put the superb Corin Dann on the Q+A hosting job full-time – with a Beehive office for good measure.

Moving the show a full 12 hours later in the day suddenly makes Sunday nights look quite different: the news, Country Calendar, current affairs, Coast New Zealand or British drama – then Q+A, which might as well be a reboot of… Gallery, the political current affairs show which ran from 1968-1973 and was notably mourned in that open letter. It’s a throwback Sunday on the biggest media platform we have.

All of which looks a lot like a peace offering from TVNZ. The timing is brilliant: its chief state-owned rival for funding is licking its wounds, and its chief TV rival is agitating for TVNZ1 to become non-commercial, while almost no one has any expectations of it anymore. And here, out of a clear blue sky, it brings serious political current affairs back to the TVNZ primetime for the first time in years.

It’s a clear indication that the channel can, when the right circumstances present, do things which are on the face of it public-spirited and non-commercial. That it does so at a time when there’s a budget looming and there just happens to be a large pot of money looking for a home is, surely, just a coincidence.


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Name a more iconic duo.
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Pop CultureMay 15, 2018

Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure: A big ol’ retrospective

Name a more iconic duo.
Name a more iconic duo.

At the height of their mid-90s fame, Jason Gunn and his sidekick Thingee made their own 60 minute movie, the Christchurch-set caper Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure. Baz McDonald talks to team behind it, including Gunn himself.

For New Zealand kids growing up in the early ’90s, weekday afternoons from 3:30 to 4pm meant one thing – The Son of a Gunn Show, a glorious half-hour spent with Jason Gunn and his alien sidekick Thingee, in which they played games, sang songs, did impressions and presented sketches.

If you were anything like my brother and I, your love for Jason and Thingee only kept growing, making the release of the duo’s own direct-to-video movie in 1995 a momentous occasion.

Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure is a 60-minute movie about Jason and Thingee’s attempts to buy a new TV one weekend afternoon in Christchurch. What starts as two mates popping to the shops escalates after thieves hide a priceless stolen moa egg in Jason and Thingee’s car. The pair continue on their journey – getting side-tracked by trouble with their car, a ride in a limo, and a stay at a hotel after Jason gets mistaken for Steven Spielberg – before finally being tracked down by the police, who believe Jason and Thingee to be the thieves. It’s a ripping good adventure, and clearly a memorable one, because despite not having watched this movie since I was five I could still recall its every frame.

Now, 24 years later, it’s time to look back on this seminal NZ children’s classic and consider its legacy, with a little help from Jason Gunn himself.

This is the 90s in typographic form.

The Legacy

Although it might seem like a blip on the radar of New Zealand television, Big Adventure had a much more profound effect on the entertainment landscape than you’d think. Of course, Jason Gunn has remained a near-ubiquitous figure in the 20-plus years since, hosting first TV shows and now radio, as well as working behind the scenes on many projects through his production company, Whitebait Media.

But for Jason, his time working alongside Thingee will forever remain a highlight of his career.

“I went on to do all sorts of other television. But, without a doubt, those days will always be what I am most proud of in television. It was something we adored and going to work every day was just such a pleasure. There was never a bad day.”

Gunn made both The Son of a Gunn and Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure.

Jason says a big part of what made the experience so great was the family they built around the show, both literally and figuratively. Jason worked closely with his brother Andrew Gunn on writing and developing The Son of a Gunn show, and Andrew was the lead writer on Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure.

“That was one of the best things about working on Son of a Gunn – working with my bro on a TV show for kids.”

Andrew went on to a successful career behind the screen, most recently as writer of the 2017 film Kiwi Christmas. Right now the most topical legacy of this movie is via its director Nigel Carpenter, who has since directed some of New Zealand’s most-watched TV events – including this season of Dancing with the Stars NZ.

“[Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure] was the grounding to my whole career,” Nigel says. “It means a lot to me, especially as I get older and am doing big productions like Dancing with the Stars, NZ Idol and NZ’s Got Talent. It shows to me that what we did in those early days was a very special moment.

“The older you get, there is more pressure commercially, culturally and editorially. Just getting out there and having some fun just doesn’t happen anymore.”

The Big Adventure: the big rewatch

So, how does the movie hold up?

For me, Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure provided the kind of high you can only get from the purest nostalgia trip. On the other hand, watching with me was someone who had never seen the movie or Son of a Gunn and was only familiar with Jason and Thingee from What Now – and they enjoyed the heck out of it too.

And why not? It’d take a cold heart indeed not to enjoy Big Adventure, considering the infectious energy and happiness it exudes. A lot of that liveliness comes from the blistering pace of its half narrative/half ‘best of The Son of a Gunn Show‘ structure, cutting between the two at a pace seemingly designed to keep even the grumpiest toddler entertained.

Sprinkling the Son of a Gunn highlights through the movie may have originally been a way to pad it out on a minuscule budget. But now, decades later, they act as a time capsule of all the wonderful moments the show provided New Zealand kids.

Is that Sonny and Cher?

The other great thing about the ‘best of’ format? You’re never, ever bored. Over the 60-minute runtime there are 21 songs, performances from dancers, magicians and impersonators, games and a selection of sketches. And that’s not even counting the road trip narrative that acts as the movie’s backbone.

But the success of Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure is undeniably down to Jason Gunn himself. His performance is consistently delightful, especially when he is talking straight down the camera to his young audience at home.

“I loved walking up to the camera and saying ‘Hey! How you doing?’ It still annoys me profusely when I see presenter talk to camera and not mean the words they are saying,” he says.

“I liked to think you could make a difference. You might be talking to a kid who is home alone, because their mum and dad are working their asses off, or maybe a kid who isn’t feeling at their best. We had half an hour to talk to them. I liked to think kids thought of Jason and Thingee as mates.”

Jason Gunn has always been known for his irrepressible spirit and energy, but the 22-year-old Jason we see in this movie is at the peak of his powers. At times, his whimsy is so pure and his smile so bright, it’s like looking directly into the sun. Jason says he still gets people asking him if this vigor in those days was drug induced.

“When people are talking to me about how I was back in my children’s TV days, they say, ‘Oh Jase, you must have been on something, aye? Back in the day?’ Well no, I tell them, I hate to rain on your drug-induced parade but that is exactly what I was like. I was into life. I was high on life.”

Nigel Carpenter says as well being a delightful presence on screen, Jason made vital contributions off-screen. “He is an incredibly talented man and is such a joy to work with. He is funny, witty, kind, generous and genuine,” Nigel says.

Then there was Thingee. Alan Henderson has to be recognised for his portrayal of the alien sidekick – a character that remains a cultural icon, despite flying off planet two decades ago. Thingee is a wonderfully dry and witty character and is so well performed that it is easy to forget that he is a puppet at all – all testament Henderson’s superb puppeteering.

Throughout my rewatch I was impressed by how much of the comedy has stood the test of time. Not only were the jokes I loved as a kid still laugh out loud funny, but I discovered a lot of adult humour in there that I had obviously missed as a kid. A sketch formatted as movie trailer show opera singers in a theatre who are pelted with eggs until they all leave. Then a chicken takes the stage – revealing the title of the movie to be The Bantam of the Opera. As a kid, the mere concept of a chicken singing was hysterical; it’s only now as an adult that I get the parody and the pun.  

The aforementioned The Bantam of the Opera.

“It was dual-edged humour,” Jason says. “We liked to think that parents would want to sit down and watch the show with their kids, instead of just sitting them down in front of it and thinking ‘what is this crap?’

“I also loved the idea of pushing the boundaries of children’s TV. It is easy to come out and swear and be aggressive with your humour – but in children’s TV you’ve got to be clever and entertaining in quite restrictive boundaries.”

Another reason the humour holds up so well: much of it was inspired by timeless comedy classics. “I grew up watching a lot of British comedy, you know, a lot of physical comedy – such as The Two Ronnies,” Jason says. “A lot of that comedy I love is at your own expense and I think that is what my thing has always been about.”

As such, Gunn’s work utilises comedy forms such as slapstick, mime, parody and double entendre. Often this inspiration is quite subtle – Gunn and his team filtering these styles through their own unique Kiwi perspective – but there are also blatant homages in the movie, including a Benny Hill-esque chase through the hotel.

“There is something beautiful about people who can master the art of physical comedy. I used to take my comedy very seriously – there is a way to fall down stairs, or into things, or do a doubletake. I’m not saying I am that great at it, but that the people I admired the most had practised and mastered it.”

What makes Big Adventure even more impressive is that it was clearly made on the smell of an oily rag. Yet, using creative solutions, it accomplishes a lot. Many of the movie’s Son of a Gunn sketches are one long shot of Jason trying to do something, like climbing onto a horse, in his inimitably goofy style. The clips are then sped up to give that Benny Hill vibe, with a Jason voiceover to enhance the visual comedy. It’s clear that these sketches were cheap and quick to make, but that doesn’t make them any less entertaining.

This is what an Instagram story looked like in the 90s.

“We had no money – all we had was enthusiasm, fun and talent,” Nigel says. “We just hit the road with a very small crew and had fun throwing things together – and, you know, it came together amazingly well.”

This mentality is evident in the movie itself, with several members of the crew popping up as cast members throughout the movie – including Andrew Gunn as the hotel manager and Nigel as a thief.

Nigel says many of the movie’s plot points happened simply because they thought it would be fun. “There were things I had always wanted to do – like the shot in the Cadillac, with your head sticking through the sunroof and having a good time.”

“That scene in the limo was actually really funny [to make]. You have to remember that Alan Henderson (Thingee) had his hand up Thingee’s bum. We shot in many confined spaces, so [Jason and Alan] became very closely connected both physically and mentally.”

Heads up out of a cadillac!

Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure 2?

Last year, Jason made a video for his Facebook page pointing out that it was the 25-year anniversary of The Son of a Gunn show – telling viewers to “stay tuned” because he “has a couple of good ideas to celebrate 25 years”. We have yet to see this long-awaited reunion of Jason and Thingee – Jason has nothing to announce, but says there’s still some unfinished business there.

“Where is Thingee? What’s he doing? Where has he been? I like to think he is in space,” he says. “What does he think of what I have done with my career since? He’d be like [Thingee voice] ‘Jason, what is with the heart attack? Was it all the chocolate fish?’… you know? He would have so many questions. ‘Jason, why did you host a dancing show? I mean seriously! And what was with Celebrity Treasure Island? Were things that bad? You could have come to me for money’.”

Imagine: all the people in this photo are in their 40s now.

After all this time, both Jason and Nigel remain incredibly proud of Jason and Thingee’s Big Adventure and their work on The Son of a Gunn Show – a passion which they both seemed interested in revisiting.

“I would drop everything in a moment to work with those guys again!” Nigel says.

What I found most fascinating about revisiting this movie, is that as well as enjoying it as a piece of nostalgia, it was far more meaningful to me than I thought it would be. Watching it, I realised where my fondness for particular songs had come from, and even some of the jokes I still use today.

It’s been said that the TV and movies we watched heavily as kids helped shape us into who we are as adults. If that’s the case, I’m glad I grew up with these lovely, well-meaning Kiwi entertainers and their wholesome, charming comedy.


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