The fourteenth episode of our weekly pop music chat for umusic, shot and edited by The Spinoff’s own José Barbosa. It involves two pop rookies – The Spinoff’s Alex Casey and bFM’s Joseph Harper – listening to state-of-the-art pop music and having a chat about it. Simple.

This week the two talk about Taylor Swift, one of the biggest artists of 2015, and the hit music videos from her monster album 1989. Includes a fun new car game, a fire alarm and some very large fan tshirts.