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OPINIONPoliticsOctober 7, 2022

Kris Faafoi and the revolving door

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It’s perfectly legal for the former cabinet minister to move straight into a job as a lobbyist. But should it be?

Kris Faafoi’s got us all in a spin. A cabinet minister barely three months ago, and now the country’s newest lobbyist, he has gone through the revolving door between politics and corporate life so fast it must still be spinning. And of course one of his new roles, at lobbying and public relations firm Dialogue 22, will be… spinning.

Why does this matter? Because it highlights a key weakness in New Zealand’s integrity rules. As a cabinet minister as recently as July, Faafoi will have been privy to the most important political discussions in the land, compiling a treasure trove of information. And normally that knowledge is held confidential. Admittedly, elements of cabinet discussions leak, and the government publishes some papers after the fact. But the vast majority of the information surrounding such discussions – the arguments made for and against in cabinet, the motivations and positions of individual ministers, the political realities that determine a given decision – is kept under wraps.

In particular, confidential public information is not supposed to end up in the hands of commercial interests. With good reason, we do not simply sell information about cabinet debates to the highest bidder. That information is supposed to be used for the public good, not to advance private interests. And if private firms or individuals do get hold of it, they gain a completely inappropriate advantage over their rivals.

All these values and protections are rendered somewhat irrelevant, however, if Faafoi – or indeed anyone else – can simply step through the revolving door and, taking confidential public information with them, immediately turn it to the benefit of their clients. Dialogue 22’s website makes clear that Faafoi’s former life as a cabinet minister is a core part of its pitch. And the man himself told the Herald earlier this week that in looking to drum up business, he had been “speaking to people I’ve had relationships with in the past”. Given it’s a long time since Faafoi did anything except politics, those are presumably people he has met in his capacity as an MP and minister.

Kris Faafoi speaks to media at parliament
Former cabinet minister Kris Faafoi speaks to media at parliament. (Photo: Lynn Grieveson/Getty Images)

The concerns about the revolving door arise well before ministers leave politics. If, while still in post, they spy the prospect of a lucrative corporate afterlife, it is hardly inconceivable that they will start to bias their decisions towards – or at least form overly close relationships with – the firms able to deliver that career. While there is no reason to think Faafoi has behaved in this way,  it routinely happens overseas. Empire of Pain, Patrick Radden Keefe’s celebrated book on America’s opioid-pushing Sackler family, shows how they built a cosy relationship with a regulator whom they persuaded to approve their dangerous drugs – and then found said regulator a job at the family firm paying US$400,000 a year.

None of which is to say that lobbying itself is bad, even if the term usually has negative connotations. Everyone is entitled to (try to) contact an MP or a minister. And if people can do it themselves, they should presumably be able to pay someone to do it on their behalf. Lobbying becomes a problem only when it happens in secrecy, involves inappropriately close relationships between officials and lobbyists, creates an imbalance of power – such that some voices are heard much more than others – or, as in this case, may involve turning confidential public information to private benefit.

Fortunately, there is a straightforward policy response: the cooling-off period. In many countries, former decision-makers have to wait some time before they can lobby the public institutions that once employed them. Principles set out by leading global NGOs, including Transparency International, recommend a minimum cooling-off time of two years. In Taiwan, the period is three years, in Canada five, and in some US states six. Because politics moves rapidly, the individual’s confidential knowledge is, by the time such periods end, far less relevant, and thus less likely to be used for private benefit.

If we were to implement such a policy in New Zealand, we would have to pick an appropriate period – three years, the length of a parliamentary term, would be one option – and decide whom it covers. Ministers, obviously – but arguably MPs and senior public servants also possess enough confidential information to warrant a cooling-off period, albeit perhaps a shorter one.

Beyond that, we should also require those lobbying the government to disclose their interactions with decision-makers. The Greens’ 2012 attempt to institute such a register may have gone down in flames, but Ireland has long maintained one, suggesting it is not an especially difficult thing to get right. As ever, the tools to ensure openness and transparency in government are readily available to us; the only question is whether we have a real desire to use them.

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Phil Goff closes the door. (Photo: Toby Manhire / Design: Archi Banal)
Phil Goff closes the door. (Photo: Toby Manhire / Design: Archi Banal)

Local Elections 2022October 6, 2022

Phil Goff on 40 years of politics and the idealistic young man in the photograph

Phil Goff closes the door. (Photo: Toby Manhire / Design: Archi Banal)
Phil Goff closes the door. (Photo: Toby Manhire / Design: Archi Banal)

The departing Auckland mayor reflects on a life in politics, his time at the cabinet tables of Lange and Clark, and what a younger, more radical Phil Goff might have made of the politician he has become.

Saturday will turn a new page in the short history of the Auckland super city, as it elects its third mayor. It will at the same time close a chapter on an extraordinary career in New Zealand politics, as Phil Goff signs out after 14 elections and 40 years spanning parliamentary and municipal politics.


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In a special edition of the Spinoff’s politics podcast, Gone By Lunchtime, Goff discusses everything from his time in the cabinets of David Lange and Helen Clark, a stint as Labour Party leader and two terms as mayor. He won’t confirm the widespread expectation that his next role will be as New Zealand high commissioner in Britain, but neither does he remotely deny it. He’s not yet in full diplomatic mode, however, and has some sharp words on the latest upheavals in UK politics. 

In an image from 1974, a younger, hairier, more radical Goff is shown in a group including then fellow junior lecturer Helen Clark at a demonstration. What might that young man have made of the mayor today – a pragmatic politician that some even call a technocrat?

Helen Clark, Phil Goff and friends. (Photo: Supplied)

“That young man probably thought, we can change the world,” said Goff, now 69 years old. “And we can do it quickly, if only the right people are in the right places. And he probably didn’t understand how complex the world was, that in a democracy, if you want to change the world, you’ve got to persuade other people to your vision.”

He had, he said, chosen the Labour Party over “one of the multiple fringe left groups that were often part of these protests”. He was “always pragmatic, because you know, when you go out and you door knock, and I door knocked from a very young age, you find that the world isn’t just a mirror image of yourself. There are a whole variety of people with different views. And your power to make change depends on your power to persuade those people that what you want to change the world towards, your vision, is a vision that they also share.” 

Phil Goff speaks as justice minister in 2000. (Photo: Robert Patterson/Getty Images)

Pragmatic is not a word readily associated with the fourth Labour government. From 1984, Goff had a front row seat to a seismic, highly controversial period in New Zealand politics, with David Lange as prime minister and Roger Douglas running finance. Goff was the youngest in a young cabinet. “It was an extraordinary government to be part of,” he said.

The tone was set, if not defined, by the currency crisis bequeathed by the departing Rob Muldoon. Upon seeing the state of the books, “I thought we will be a one-term government, this is such a mess.”

He said: “Lange used to use the phrase that the country was being run like a Polish shipyard, it was very evocative … And we were like that. We had wage control, rent control, price control. We had big tariffs. We didn’t open ourselves up to trade.” Did they not, for all that, go too far, too fast? “A lot of those changes were hard but necessary. Some of the changes went too far. And some of what Roger Douglas wanted to do after 87 went far too far. I’d been a strong supporter of the fundamental changes that Roger was making. But he lost me, you know, with some of the things [like] having a flat tax. How do you have a flat tax and achieve equity in society?

“So from being a very successful government in the first three years, we then had that terrible disunity between David Lange and Roger Douglas, that caucus was split down the middle. And fundamentally, if you go into an election disunited like that, how could you expect the public ever to have confidence in you? And they didn’t, and we got thrown out.”

Phil Goff on his motorbike in a campaign ad for the 2016 mayoral run.

When Goff returned to cabinet under Clark, “where we ended up was a far more centrist and traditional position for the Labour Party,” he said. “We still made changes. But we approached it in a different way. But then we weren’t dealing with the crises that the Lange government found itself in, caused by the snap election.”

If, as is expected, Goff heads to London for an ambassadorial posting, he will get a close-up view of a government undergoing its own strange convulsions. While he needed to be “diplomatic” in any assessment of Liz Truss’s explosive, U-turn defined early prime ministership, he did say this: “I was absolutely astounded by the decision that the government took and has since reversed [to cut the top tax rate]. It was never going to fly, it was never right. And you know, the Conservative Party recognised that for itself, but you just wonder how [they] arrived at a position like that. I mean, basic economics tells you that you don’t borrow to pay for tax cuts for people who are already very highly paid and you don’t do it in a way that damages the value of the pound and forces interest rates higher than they would otherwise have gone.”

As for keeping an eye on New Zealand politics, Goff says he won’t be sticking his nose in. “I really don’t want to be, you know, Sam the Eagle or Oscar the Grouch on the sidelines, saying, in my day, this is what we used to do.”

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