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Donald Trump during the US Presidential election campaign (Photo by Kena Betancur/Getty Images)
Donald Trump during the US Presidential election campaign (Photo by Kena Betancur/Getty Images)

PoliticsNovember 10, 2016

The Worst Idea of All Time hosts Tim Batt and Guy Montgomery on the worst election of all time

Donald Trump during the US Presidential election campaign (Photo by Kena Betancur/Getty Images)
Donald Trump during the US Presidential election campaign (Photo by Kena Betancur/Getty Images)
All day we’re publishing responses from interesting and informed New Zealanders to two questions: What just happened? And what now? In this installment, comedians and podcast hosts Tim Batt and Guy Montgomery. 

Tim Batt

I’m somehow both drunk and hungover. Exhausted and in a state of utter disbelief.

What just happened?

We witnessed a very public outcome of people losing faith in institutions. A man has just been elected to the most powerful position on Earth who has never been engaged in politics before and continually littered his campaign run with statements we previously thought unrecoverable for a candidate. The polls were wrong. The pundits were wrong. The markets were wrong (and they’re REALLY not supposed to be wrong). Every traditional predictive measure failed. We are waking up, quite literally, in a different world today. We’ve experienced the allure of social media driven echo chambers which have seen a demagogue’s power base send him to the White House and seen a section of the public in a state of total denial about what was happening around them.

What now?

We grow up. Collectively. We need to actively reach out to people we disagree with and find out what is motivating them. We need to be open to learning new information and having our minds changed about certain issues. We need to acknowledge the fact that there may be valid reasons for people taking an action we disagree with. This attitude will empower you to engage in meaningful dialogue and possibly remove fear or prejudice in the other person’s mind. Nobody is asking you to sacrifice your principles. Do not do that. Hold them near. But stop immediately writing off anyone who disagrees with you as being a moron or a bigot. That is how the left lost this election and if this trend of political polarisation continues, we are all going to become even more vulnerable to even more horrible characters from here on in.

 

Guy Montgomery

What just happened?

A very freaky man became President of America and to be honest I am too ill-informed to speculate as to what exactly it means – suffice it to say it was not good for morale in the room I was in. Nor was it good for morale in the social echo chambers I haunt online. Trump has said a lot of terrible things and is fundamentally disagreeable on every social level I can think of. He has not laid out any sort of platform which makes coherent sense but enough of America is so upset at how things are right now that none of that mattered. An America I have never been to and do not know is upset and that is how they have voted. The pockets of America I keep up with online are upset that the upset people voted for Donald Trump and now he is president. Donald Trump is about to disappoint a lot of people for four years. It is going to be be a very weird, slow train wreck and because of his hypnotic cadence it is going to be very hard to look away.

What now?

I am lucky enough to have a Netflix subscription and a room to watch Netflix in so I that is what I am doing. Not everyone is so fortunate. I really don’t know. Trump being president doesn’t stop basic human decency. We have to be kinder and more supportive of one another now more than ever. We also have to continue listening to people who have different points of view from us and who we don’t agree with. A refusal to do that is part of why things like this continue to happen. Listening is how we make things better; it’s no good putting on blinders and shouting everyone down. Also, if you can afford a Netflix subscription I can highly recommend that.

Guy Montgomery and Tim Batt are the hosts of The Worst Idea of All Time podcast.

More responses to the U.S. election:

Eric Crampton: Buckle up for President Trump. It only gets crazier from here

Geoffrey Palmer: The politics of America have changed forever. The planet has much to fear

Keep going!
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump reacts to the cries of three-month-old Kellen Campbell, of Denver, right, while holding six-month-old Evelyn Keane, of Castel Rock, Colo., after Trump’s speech at the Gallogly Event Center on the campus of the University of Colorado on July 29, 2016. (Photo by Joe Mahoney/Getty Images)
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump reacts to the cries of three-month-old Kellen Campbell, of Denver, right, while holding six-month-old Evelyn Keane, of Castel Rock, Colo., after Trump’s speech at the Gallogly Event Center on the campus of the University of Colorado on July 29, 2016. (Photo by Joe Mahoney/Getty Images)

PoliticsNovember 10, 2016

Buckle up for President Trump. It only gets crazier from here

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump reacts to the cries of three-month-old Kellen Campbell, of Denver, right, while holding six-month-old Evelyn Keane, of Castel Rock, Colo., after Trump’s speech at the Gallogly Event Center on the campus of the University of Colorado on July 29, 2016. (Photo by Joe Mahoney/Getty Images)
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump reacts to the cries of three-month-old Kellen Campbell, of Denver, right, while holding six-month-old Evelyn Keane, of Castel Rock, Colo., after Trump’s speech at the Gallogly Event Center on the campus of the University of Colorado on July 29, 2016. (Photo by Joe Mahoney/Getty Images)

Earlier this year I wrote that a Donald Trump presidency wouldn’t be that bad. Today I’m a whole lot less cheerful, writes Eric Crampton.

I expect a lot of kiwis will be tempted to see the Trump phenomenon through an income inequality lens. While rising income inequality is a myth in New Zealand, it isn’t in America. But that easy narrative doesn’t sit well with the data, or not in the obvious ways. Gallop polling back from August even showed Trump supporters weren’t those, on average, left behind by globalisation or automation. Supporters did not have lower income and were not more likely to be unemployed. And the same Gallup study showed supporters were more likely to work in industries that did not really have to worry much about competition from China – like construction. But they were more likely to live in places far from the media and political elites.

To get a sense of what’s going on in some of what’s considered flyover country in the US, JD Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy looks to be a great place to start. He paints a sympathetic, but dismal, picture of life in failing communities. The New Yorker‘s coverage was very good. So too is this excerpt in the Washington Post. It isn’t just an economic story, it’s also a cultural one.

What exit polls are out so far show Clinton won among those earning less than $50,000 per year, but lost among those on higher earnings – despite Clinton having much stronger support among the college-educated. It isn’t easy to simultaneously lose badly among those on higher incomes and win strongly among those with college degrees. And race has certainly played a role. None of this cleanly fits an income inequality narrative. But it does fit a cultural narrative.

COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - JULY 29: Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump reacts to the cries of three-month-old Kellen Campbell, of Denver, right, while holding six-month-old Evelyn Keane, of Castel Rock, Colo., after Trump's speech at the Gallogly Event Center on the campus of the University of Colorado on July 29, 2016 in Colorado Springs, Colorado. (Photo by Joe Mahoney/Getty Images)
Donald Trump at a rally in July. (Photo by Joe Mahoney/Getty Images)

And so my current take, as I write on Wednesday evening, and until the data tells me otherwise, is the same one I gave in my closing summary after the debate The Initiative hosted back in August on inequality. American society is bifurcating on cultural lines at least as much as on economic lines, and it’s the cultural ones that are mattering.

Look back again at Vance’s description of life in hillbilly country. There was a great interview with Vance in The American Conservative a few months ago. He talks about the resentment felt in those communities about being looked down on by urban elites. About being told that their way of living and religious beliefs and pride in military service are wrong. About their accents being a great source of amusement. Trump earned the same condescension from urban elites that a lot of people who aren’t in that elite feel pretty regularly. And warnings about Trump’s racism, misogyny, and potential fascism ring hollow when those words have lost the meaning they should have through overuse: when everything is a microaggression and when President Bush was regularly compared to Hitler, well, people start discounting when they shouldn’t. And there’s always a fraction of the population that just wants to watch it all burn.

That’s my reckon on “what happened here”. It’s likely wrong, but it is the best explanation I currently have.

As for what now?

It won’t be the end of the world.

But it will be rather bad.

Back in March I’d pointed to the institutional constraints that would stop a Trump presidency from being apocalyptic. I was too optimistic about two of them.

Something that I should have thought about when I wrote the piece is how much damage a vindictive narcissist can do through his control of administrative agencies. He will be able to set the IRS and other agencies against his perceived enemies. The vast apparatus of the regulatory regime is scarily unbounded in potential misuse by a bad President. It is this way because, for decades, the governing elite on both sides of the aisle did not see the point of constraining their own power. Libertarians did warn about the need to fix that before somebody really dangerous got a chance to have a go. And now Trump has those reins.

It’s bad, but I worried a bit less about it than I should have because I thought a second check might do a bit more work. But I’m a lot more worried about that one now.

I had hope in the Republican establishment’s hating Trump. It was clear during the nomination race. But since March, they have all fallen into line behind him, or failed to speak out against him. Ted Cruz even manned phone lines for Trump. Paul Ryan worked for Trump. I don’t quite know how to put it politely so I’ll put it in Trumpist terms: Donald Trump made the Republican establishment his bitches. I don’t think the GOP elite fell into line because they expected a Trump victory. Careerist concerns instead came to the fore. And so I worry that House and Senate leaders will fall into line behind Trump rather than protect the Party’s potential long term prospects for similar reasons. I’m worried now that the Republicans in the House and Senate wouldn’t block pernicious appointments.

I’m glad I’m in New Zealand, but we aren’t going to be immune here. I was lukewarm at best about TTPA – that looks dead, but I don’t see great shakes in it either way. Far more worrying is that crazy stuff isn’t out of the question – big new tariffs, for example. Even if they’re only directed at China, the US screwing up China screws up our trade with China. And who the heck knows what will happen to geopolitical stability.

Last night was crazy. I don’t think it will get less crazy from here. Buckle up.

 

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