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Don’t treat women like this (Image: Archi Banal)
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SocietySeptember 7, 2023

Help Me Hera: How do I make friends with women?

Don’t treat women like this (Image: Archi Banal)
Don’t treat women like this (Image: Archi Banal)

If you treat women like spooked horses, you’re going to get a hoof to the solar plexus.

Want Hera’s help? Email your problem to helpme@thespinoff.co.nz

Kia ora Hera,

I’m a middle-aged guy. After some relationship trauma, followed by a few years of introspection, I’ve come to understand that I’m a bit lonely and emotionally needy, and that I’d like to have more close friends, like I used to have in my early twenties.

I’ve always related mainly to women. When I was younger, establishing these friendships happened easily. But now that’s harder and can easily become awkward. I don’t know whether that’s because of my age, or because of an increasing awareness among women that many men are sexist, predatory, creepy, weirdos who indulge in stalking, upskirting and dodgy internet activities. 

Hera, what advice can you give me? I’ve been reading these columns of yours and I’ve noticed that your replies are not only acerbic and ironic but also wise.

Ngā mihi nui

Middle Aged Guy

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Dear Middle Aged Guy,

HOW TO MAKE FRIENDS WITH WOMEN:

  • Go to places where women like to congregate, like maternity wards, wedding dress stores, and breast cancer awareness marathons.
  • Take a Judith Butler book everywhere you go, and conspicuously read it in public. Don’t forget to nod vigorously and say “haha YES!” every so often, so people know you’re absorbing the message. 
  • Dig a big pit in your front yard, cover it with a sheet, put up a sign saying “FREE CAKE AND HANDBAGS”, and wait for some local broads to fall in. 

Making friends with women is obviously a cool and worthwhile thing to do. But I think your read of the wider cultural situation is a little paranoid. For a start, I wouldn’t say there’s an increasing awareness amongst women that men are “etc” and “so forth.” There is, however, an increasing awareness amongst men regarding the kind of harassment that women experience. 

I don’t mean to say our fears aren’t well-founded. But I think in our attempt to hammer the message home, we accidentally overstated the level of daily fear most women experience. Everyone took that damn Margaret Atwood quote too seriously. “Men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them.” OK Margaret. But I don’t live in fear of being killed by a man, any more than I live in fear of being hit by a car. It doesn’t mean it won’t happen, but I don’t flinch at every Subaru I see. 

Do I feel safe walking home through an unlit area at night? Not always. But I think it’s important to admit this isn’t exclusively a female problem. Lots of people need to be vigilant against male violence, including most men. Unless your name is Sergei Knifehammer and you’re built like an industrial corn harvester, you probably have decent cause to be wary. And it’s not just men who are dangerous. If you’re a Pasifika man in your early 20s, say, going for a morning stroll around a suburban area can easily result in some neighbourhood watch lunatic calling the cops on you.  

The world isn’t a safe place and everyone’s at risk of violence, even if that violence is expressed differently based on gender, race, or sexuality. I’m not saying this is your cue to start approaching random women in parking lots at night and asking them if they want to come home and see your corn husk collection. But I think your concern is counterproductive. Take upskirting, for instance. Unless you’re walking around with giant mirrors taped to your shoes, I really wouldn’t worry. As for “dodgy internet activities,” I’m pretty sure most men spend more time researching the JFK assassination than looking at torture porn. 

I mention all this because being fixated on counteracting negative perceptions is no way to win hearts and minds. Curiosity about someone else’s experience is important. But if you treat women like spooked horses, you’re going to get a hoof to the solar plexus. Not to mention “I promise I won’t extract your teeth in my basement” is not a great basis for friendship. A good basis for a friendship is both really hating Janice in apartment 2B, or having a shared interest in the biological longevity of lobsters. 

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So how do you make friends? 

First of all, ask yourself: do you actually want to be platonic friends with women, or do you want to get to know more women for friendship while also remaining open to the possibility of romance? Either scenario is fine. But a lot of women’s irritation comes from men deliberately obfuscating their motives. 

A lot more annoying and common than predatory men are the guys who send you an allegedly platonic message, and when you don’t write back within 24 hours, bombard you with 100 texts saying “hey, i noticed you haven’t responded to my messages, have i done something wrong?” It’s galling to hear these guys misinterpret irritation as fear. Just because someone doesn’t want to hear an unsolicited rant about your Naruto card collection, it doesn’t mean they inherently view you as a sexual predator. 

In my experience, most guys are chill and normal. And most women are extremely good at reading vibes. If you’re genuinely having trouble making platonic connections with women, maybe you’re bringing some kind of weird or nervous energy to these interactions, even if you’re not intending to.

I think your self-professed emotional neediness is something you’re going to have to address. There is a particular subset of men who specifically seek out female companionship because they see all women as freelance therapists. You can and should complain about your problems to your friends, but there needs to be a real basis of love and reciprocity first. Otherwise, you’re just forcing someone to do your emotional homework. 

I can see that you’re invested in combating sexism. So I have a challenge for you, which is to revisit your prejudice against male friendships. Perhaps, for whatever reason, connections with men haven’t come as easily for you. But perhaps you’re looking in the wrong kind of places. Friendships between men can be just as deep and intimate and caring as female ones, and I’d hate for you to write the boys off so soon. 

Honestly, I think a lot of your problems have more to do with time of life. It’s easy to make friends in your early twenties. It’s practically your only job. But a lot of people in middle age don’t actually want new friends. It’s a difficult time to form new relationships regardless of gender. But if you’re lonely and want more people in your life, there is an easy and beautiful solution.

JOIN A CLUB! 

I know I’m a broken record on this subject. But there is truly nothing like having a hobby to meet new people. Here are my reasons why joining a club is a great solution: 

  • Women love hobbies. And the kind of men who participate in hobby groups are probably more likely to be open to the type of friendships you’re seeking.
  • It’s a low emotional risk. There is time to build up a rapport with people, friendships can evolve naturally, and people will be less on guard with you. 
  • You meet lots of different people, of different ages and life experiences, which is not only interesting but massively increases your chances of meeting someone you click with. 
  • You’re already hanging out with a group of people who are explicitly interested in having more social interactions in their lives and don’t have to weed out those who would rather be at home. 
  • You already have a common interest AND an inbuilt activity. if you’re engrossed in a conversation about the beauty of snapping turtles, or learning to paint sunsets, you’re already halfway there. 

You’ll probably have a few failures. But no more than anyone trying to make new friends in midlife. And if you take an Indian cooking class or Foxtrot lessons and don’t meet anyone, you can always try again somewhere else. The worst that can happen is you’ll learn to make a halfway decent paneer. As long as you treat women like normal people, and don’t start offering free backrubs, there’s nothing to fret about. 

Like Coach Taylor says: clear eyes, full heart, can’t lose. 

Good luck! 

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SocietySeptember 5, 2023

The cost of being: A super frugal public servant living in Canterbury

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As part of our series exploring how New Zealanders live and our relationship with money, a Cantabrian tells us how she achieved $200,000 in savings and a paid-off  mortgage before turning 40.

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Gender: Female 

Age: 30s

Ethnicity: Pākehā

Role: Public service supervisor.

My living location is: Canterbury. 

Rent/Mortgage per week: $0. I paid off the mortgage on my house last year, and my partner pays me $120 a week in “rent” to help cover the usual insurance, rates etc.

Student loan or other debt payments per week: $0 – I worked to save for my study fees before studying, applied for scholarships, and got a student allowance.

Typical weekly food costs

Groceries: $350/week for the two of us. This includes $25-$50 at the farmers market for meat, eggs and produce.

Eating out/takeaways/workday lunches/cafe coffees/snacks: $25/week for takeaways/eating out. I take a packed lunch for work and don’t drink takeaway coffee.

Other food costs: $15 a month for seed raising mix/compost plus plants and seeds. This produces most of our veges in summer.

Savings: I only have 20k in my Kiwisaver as I used 20k from it for a deposit on my first home. But I have $200,000 in term deposits from saving over half my salary every month since I started working full time at age 18.

I worry about money: Sometimes.

Three words to describe my financial situation would be: Frugal. Fortunate. Reliable.

My biggest edible indulgence would be: Cheese.

In a typical week my alcohol expenditure would be: $0. I basically don’t drink, maybe one or two ciders or wine with friends every six months or so.

In a typical week my transport expenditure would be: $50 on petrol.

I estimate in the past year the ballpark amount I spent on my personal clothing (including sleepwear and underwear) was: $100 or less. I opshop when I need something but often I’m given secondhand clothes so rarely need to shop.

My most expensive clothing in the past year was: Thermals from Macpac on special at $20 each.

My last pair of shoes cost: $0 – found brand new on the side of the road (my neighbour was giving them away). Nice trail shoes.

My grooming/beauty expenditure includes: $40/year shampoo bars. I cut my own hair and don’t wear makeup.

My exercise expenditure in a year is about: I paid an osteopath $330 to help fix a few injuries. Everything else is free: I walk and YouTube yoga classes.

My last Friday night cost: $0. On Saturday I had a lunch out ($25) in Christchurch and made the most of free activities around the city with a friend.

Most regrettable purchase in the last 12 months was: $42 for Calmer ear plugs – I fell for a Facebook Ad and have only worn them once.

Most indulgent purchase (that I don’t regret) in the last 12 months was: $1000 worth of decking timber.

One area where I’m a bit of a tightwad is: Activities and treats for myself, but to be honest most of my financial decisions are frugal.

Five words to describe my financial personality would be: Find free stuff, save money.

I grew up in a house where money was: Limited. Both my parents couldn’t find work for large parts of my childhood.When they were able to work, they spent and invested money wisely, buying a house and slowly doing it up. I loved having present parents and making do with what we had.

The last time my eftpos card was declined was: When my automatic payment for house insurance went out unexpectedly, resulted in an empty bank account and a penalty fee until I could move funds around.

In five years, in financial terms, I see myself: More stable, still saving half my salary and investing wisely while continuing with my frugal ways. It’s likely that I’ll have saved another $200,000 or purchased a different property.

I would love to have more money for: I’d love to have enough so I could retire early, be comfortable and volunteer for projects I’m passionate about.

Want to contribute? Send us an email briefly describing your situation at costofbeing@thespinoff.co.nz

Read the previous Cost of Beings here.