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Left: Safari Hynes’ post that  was removed by Vic Deals / Right: Vic Deals’ guidelines
Left: Safari Hynes’ post that was removed by Vic Deals / Right: Vic Deals’ guidelines

MoneyJune 11, 2020

The Vic Deals community is imploding over claims of racism and hypocrisy

Left: Safari Hynes’ post that  was removed by Vic Deals / Right: Vic Deals’ guidelines
Left: Safari Hynes’ post that was removed by Vic Deals / Right: Vic Deals’ guidelines

With more than 151,000 members, Wellington’s Vic Deals is one of the largest community Facebook groups in New Zealand. But in the last few days, the group’s team of administrators have landed itself in hot water after being accused of censoring content related to racism, colonisation, and Black Lives Matter.

How did this all start?

On Friday, a former member of the group Safari Hynes shared a post addressing colonisation in New Zealand. A few days later, Hynes’ post was deleted and he was subsequently blocked from accessing Vic Deals. He then took to his personal Facebook page to ask: “what do you do when you and a whole lot of people get banned from a Facebook group for trying to talk about colonisation?”

Why was his post taken down?

Well presumably because the group is designed to be an online trading forum for Wellingtonians to buy, sell, and trade items. Members are warned that admins will be “constantly deleting posts” to keep the page “clean, legal & relevant”. Rules state that political debate and discussion is banned, although this rule was only added in the last few days.

In that case, wasn’t it reasonable to remove the post? 

In theory, yes, but content on Vic Deals has often strayed into other areas. Over time, it’s also evolved into a platform to ask for advice, look for flatmates, share memes, and post videos of brazen acts of public vandalism on Wellington’s waterfront. 

Furthermore, screenshots from Vic Deals have since surfaced showing admin using derogatory names for Māori, posting racially insensitive content, and allowing comments containing racist and homophobic slurs. 

Left: A post from a Vic Deals admin / Right: A poll by Vic Deals and comments found on the Vic Deals page (Photo: Facebook/Dic Veals)

So what’s been the response to the post’s removal?

While some members have backed Vic Deals’ stance, a much larger group has expressed outrage at the move. Many began reposting screenshots of Hynes’ original post while others have accused Vic Deals for trying to “silence Māori and other POC’s voices” by removing critical comments and deleting posts sharing information on Black Lives Matter. Several of those who spoke out have since reported being banned from the group.

Meanwhile, Hynes went on to create his own private Facebook group called Dic Veals. Set up less than a week ago, the group currently has well over 7,000 members and describes itself as both an online trading and political discussion forum.

Have we heard anything from Vic Deals’ admins? What’s their response been?

On Monday night, Vic Deals was temporarily shut down citing “threats to [the admins’] personal safety”. The following morning, the group posted an official statement clarifying that it did not condone “racism of any sort” and that it had deleted comments in an effort to “minimise any issues … that may cause upset or lead to in-group fighting over the current levels of racism within New Zealand”.

“We understand that this group is widely used as both a platform to ask questions and gain advice … and we appreciate that members have been utilising the group for these reasons,” it continued. “However, we are trying to monitor every post at the moment, receiving numerous reports on comments and still live our daily lives.

“A lot of the comments have lead to threats on life, personal details being shared publicly and putting others in danger.”

It concluded by stating that the future of Vic Deals would be decided by a poll with a majority voting for allowing deals with moderation but with strictly enforced rules, although some members criticised it for its lack of options. The final result remains unclear, however, as the poll no longer seems to be available. 

So what happens now? Is this the end for Vic Deals?

Pretty unlikely considering the group is still 151,000 members strong with hundreds of posts being uploaded on a daily basis. But right now, a large proportion of those posts are defying rules to continue discussions on race in Aotearoa. Whether moderators crackdown on these posts in an attempt to “strictly enforce rules” remains to be seen.

Jacinda Ardern at the Beehive last week (Photo: Mark Mitchell – Pool/Getty Images)
Jacinda Ardern at the Beehive last week (Photo: Mark Mitchell – Pool/Getty Images)

MoneyJune 8, 2020

Live updates, June 8: New Zealand to move to alert level one at midnight tonight

Jacinda Ardern at the Beehive last week (Photo: Mark Mitchell – Pool/Getty Images)
Jacinda Ardern at the Beehive last week (Photo: Mark Mitchell – Pool/Getty Images)

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7pm: The day in sum

There are no active cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand for the first time since February. It’s now been 17 days since the last new case was reported.

New Zealand will move to alert level one at midnight tonight.

A new report on Oranga Tamariki baby uplift practices published by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner found “deep systemic issues” with families describing the system as dangerous, brutal and racist.

Jetstar announced it would resume domestic flights in New Zealand from July 1.

The Warehouse Group announced it was planning six store closures and an organisational restructure, with over 1,000 jobs potentially on the line.

6.20pm: Jetstar to resume domestic flights

Jetstar will resume domestic flying across New Zealand on July 1, with fares available from $21.d

The resumption of services will see Jetstar flying 75 return flights per week to five destinations, returning to approximately 60% of its normal domestic schedule. Customers with bookings on the remaining 40% of flights have been contacted and offered a range of options.

Jetstar will closely monitor demand, with further domestic flights likely be added to the schedule in coming months. The domestic schedule from 1 July includes:

  • Auckland to Christchurch (24 weekly return flights)
  • Auckland to Dunedin (3 return weekly flights)
  • Auckland to Wellington (27 return weekly flights)
  • Auckland to Queenstown (14 return weekly flights)
  • Christchurch to Wellington (7 return weekly flights)

5.50pm: Splore Festival returning in 2021

Gigs are finally gearing up for a return with Splore announcing shortly after the alert level one announcement that the festival would be back next year.

Splore Festival director John Minty said New Zealand being Covid-19 free was a “determining factor” for going ahead with the festival. He said he was thrilled that it had happened much faster than he’d anticipated.

“There are so many small businesses that make up the fabric of Splore and I am really happy to engage our loyal crew and also support all our suppliers, sponsors, performers, artists, food and craft vendors,” said Minty.

But with Covid-19 still engulfing countries like the US and UK where Splore sources some of its music acts, Splore is set to take a “stay local” approach for 2021.

The festival is scheduled to take place on February 26-28, 2021 at Tapapakanga Regional Park.

5.10pm: National Transition Period comes to an end

At 1.53pm today, the National Transition Period which came into force on May 13 due to Covid-19 was officially terminated, Civil Defence Minister Peeni Henare announced.

The National Transition Period supported a move from an emergency response into the initial recovery phase and provided the national recovery manager – the director of Civil Defence Emergency Management Sarah Stuart-Black – and others access to special powers designed to assist with recovery.

“With the powers available under the new Covid-19 Public Health Response Act 2020, the significant progress made by government agencies to coordinate longer-term welfare assistance and the commitment of our team of five million, I am satisfied that the National Transition Period is no longer required,” Henare said.

“[But] this move does not signal that New Zealanders should stop being vigilant in protecting themselves and others from the virus … It is essential we all follow the alert level one requirements and remain prepared.”

3.00pm: New Zealand to move to alert level one at midnight tonight

Read the full text of Jacinda Ardern’s speech here.

On the same day New Zealand reached the milestone of having no remaining active cases of Covid-19, the prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, has announced the country will move to alert level one at midnight tonight.

“Around the world we saw people losing their loved ones and their livelihoods at a rate that was unacceptable to us,” said Ardern. “Our goal was to come out the other side as quickly and safely as we could,” she said. She said New Zealand had “united in unprecedented ways to crush the virus”.