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Jenny Condie and her family Credit: The Opportunities Party
Jenny Condie and her family Credit: The Opportunities Party

ParentsAugust 3, 2017

The evidence about mums in politics and why I stopped caring

Jenny Condie and her family Credit: The Opportunities Party
Jenny Condie and her family Credit: The Opportunities Party

It took less than a day for Jacinda Ardern to be asked about how she might combine being the leader of a political party and a mum at some point in the future, a question unlikely to be asked of a 37 year old man stepping into the same role. Dr. Jenny Condie, list candidate for The Opportunities Party and mum to boys aged one and four, discusses the evidence she found about what works for mums running for political office – and why she’s decided to ignore it.

I had no idea what to do. I had just been selected as a candidate for The Opportunities Party (TOP), but my political experience extends to having watched every episode of The West Wing. Since this is TOP and we love evidence, I went looking for some research on the subject.

I was thrilled to find a website with detailed research about what works to get women elected. I devoured all the details and started committing it to memory. This would be my playbook for my election campaign. I would do whatever they told me, and nothing they didn’t.

The research said that voters want to know who will be taking care of your children if you are in Parliament. (Yes, voters recognise this is a double standard for women, but they still want to know.)

So when I wrote my candidate bio I dutifully added that my husband would quit his job if I was elected, so people knew that my children would be well cared for. I could have also mentioned that all four of my kids’ grandparents live within a half hour drive of us and that my youngest dives out of my arms grabbing for his caregiver every morning, but that felt a bit too much like bragging. (I swear my older son cried every day for his first year at creche. I feel you mamas.)

The research said style and appearance are “highly scrutinised” – and connected to a woman’s likeability. My clothes, makeup, and appearance had to be “impeccable”.

I scoured my wardrobe; none of my pre-baby clothes fit and everything that did fit could only be considered “impeccable” by the stay-at-home-mum crowd, who understand that if you aren’t wearing your PJs, that counts as “dressy”.

And (confession time!) I’ve always been clueless about makeup. Off I went to the Bobbi Brown counter at David Jones, where I consulted a lovely woman who didn’t once make me feel inadequate about being a woman in her late 30s who knows nothing about makeup. Apparently for a natural look you need face base, colour corrector, foundation, blush, mascara and lipstick. I left with everything I needed and a new respect for women who do this every day.

The research said that images of you with your children cannot be too staged, too casual, centre the child too much, or seem like the candidate is ignoring the child.

So, I killed the first campaign video we shot because it violated too much of this advice.

In it, I am dressed too casually and wearing no makeup, thus I could appear unqualified, and possibly unlikeable. I talk about policy while holding my fussy baby and I let my older son play with the iPad, which could lead people to worry that I will prioritise my new role as MP over the needs of my children. At other times, I paid too much attention to my kids, but at other times I was distracted and paid too little attention.

My wishes were respected, and that footage got tucked away on a hard drive somewhere. I was shaping into the candidate that the evidence told me I should be.

Jenny Condie and her family. Credit: The Opportunities Party

But something didn’t fit. The thing is, as I began to be a candidate, I grew more confident about the kind of candidate I wanted to be. I wanted to be honest and authentic – but following the research meant I couldn’t be. I wanted to show solidarity with working mums doing it tough – but the research said I should never admit to struggling. I wanted to show mums that, like them, I have a messy house and cereal for dinner sometimes, and that’s okay – but the research said I should never seem disorganised.

I became disenchanted with all these rules. Slowly, I grew to hate the research. Not only was it telling me what I should and shouldn’t do – it was telling me who I was permitted to be and what sides of myself I had to keep hidden. Honestly, it all started to make me angry.

For example, the “rules” said: “Voters expect candidates to speak about their families, but be careful: sharing too much information hurts as much as sharing too little.”

Yes, we have to Goldilocks it on the sharing about family – not too much, not too little, just the right amount. I locked down my personal Twitter and Facebook accounts, so that I could still “over share” in private. But now I’m so nervous about saying the wrong thing about my kids on my candidate pages that I haven’t said anything at all about them. (I’m guessing the research shows that I really shouldn’t tell you the story about my four year old singing a song about his penis in the bath the other day, but it was funny and adorable.)

Jenny’s boys.

The research also says to be careful what type of parenting details you share. Focus groups didn’t like the phrase: “‘Our family makes time for play and stories’ (Voters respond more to candidates talking about caregiving and teaching values than playing)”.

Because we all know that motherhood is only virtuous when it is boring drudge work, right? Yeah, don’t tell people about having fun with your kids – enjoying the time you spend together is not what people want to hear. Focus instead on the basics: feeding them, changing them, washing them, cleaning up after them. That’s all there is to good parenting. Reading bedtime stories is so frivolous!

The rules said not to be negative or defensive about your personal life. You should avoid phrasing such as: “While I would love to say I am able to ‘have it all’ and be the perfect mother in addition to running for office, I must admit it is hard to juggle work and family.”

Yes, the research says I should lie. I should never be honest about the challenges of motherhood and having a career. I’m a politician now, so lying is just part of the job, right? Just be positive. Don’t mention that time your four year old cried hysterically when you left the house at 5.30pm to go out to a campaign event and how conflicted you felt!

Look, this research is American. We all know they are more socially conservative than Kiwis. I started to wonder if these findings would even apply in New Zealand. And then last weekend my friend and colleague Jessica Hammond Doube was out campaigning in her electorate of Ōhāriu. A man she was speaking to told her that he wouldn’t vote for her because she is a mother. (Her kids are six and eight.) When she pointed out her kids have two parents, he told her that “it’s not good for men to be home with children. It feminises them and it’s not good for their mental health to be at home.”

It is supposed to be a House of Representatives. How can it represent all of us if a large portion of the population – mothers with young children – aren’t welcome there?

So, screw the rules. And this time – just this once – screw the evidence.

Guess what? I don’t want that guy’s vote. I don’t want to be in Parliament to represent that guy. I want to represent mums and people who recognise mums as complex, multi-dimensional people who contribute enormously to our society.

Here is some of that footage we tucked away in the vault because it broke too many rules. I hope it gives you a laugh, and shows some mums a reflection of their own reality.

Jenny Condie is an academic with a PhD in accounting, a former public servant, mum of two delightful young boys (one who likes to sleep and one who doesn’t), and a list candidate for the new political party The Opportunities Party (TOP).

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ParentsAugust 2, 2017

Mothers hit back at the sexist shit Jacinda Ardern is facing

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The Spinoff Parents has taken positions before on serious matters around parenting. Today we are taking another position. After careful discussion with a diverse group of parents, our position is that Mark Richardson is being a massive tool and he needs to put himself in the bin and then be thrown into the sea.

Here, mothers respond to the Jacinda Ardern having to put up with bullshit questions about whether or not she’s going to start a family crap, and the implication that mothers cannot or should not have a role in politics. If you have been living under a rock you might not have seen that just six hours into the job of leader of the Labour Party, Jacinda Ardern was asked if she wanted to have a baby. Some mums just decided to let their fingers do the talking…

Emily Writes, editor Spinoff Parents, mum of two aged four and two

When we have the chance to have a woman prime minister and the focus is on if she’ll have children (and if she won’t – why not?) then it tells every other mother out there, every young woman, that she must choose between the two.

Mothers are a political force. Every day they make political choices. Every day they work to better this country, whether it’s raising their own babies or raising those in the community. The personal is political and mothers have been silenced politically for too long. I think that’s why so many mums are standing up and saying: Actually, you can get fucked for asking her this.

It’s a way of telling every employer who has ever given you grief for wanting a family, but has given your male colleague a pay-rise, that they’re turds. And that feels good. But under all of this (good) rage – is the message that we will not be told that as mothers, or women who want to be mothers, we don’t have a right to political life. We are already political. We are changing New Zealand for the benefit of the next generation, whether you think we can or not.

Manda, mum of two aged six and 13, Krissi, mum of one aged five, and their friend Max have a message for Mark Richardson and others like him.

Jacq Collins, mum of four-year-old twins 

These comments about Jacinda Ardern’s possible interest in combining parenting with the role of PM are DRIVING ME BLOODY INSANE. Here’s what would happen if our PM chose to get pregnant:

1. She’d take a few months off full duties.
2. Her deputy PM would step up.
3. The world would continue to turn.

A very clever woman I know noted that, with any PM, there’s the potential that they might be temporarily unavailable to fully undertake their duties. Bill English could break a hip and be bedridden for six weeks. Do we therefore need to grill him on his bone density when determining whether he’s a suitable person to continue as PM?

Emmaline Matagi, author, teacher, mum of three

Every time a privileged white male speaks a uterus somewhere around the world starts crying. The uterus cries not for life to grow within it, but for the chance to crawl out of its woman’s body and slap the privileged male across the head to hopefully instil some sense into him. Question: When can you ask a woman about her “plans” to have children in an interview? Or speak on the ability of a woman to do her job due to her plans or children she already has. Answer: NEVER. THE END. Meitaki (and happy Cook Island Language Week).

Emmaline, mum of three, 12, seven, and one.

Emily Colgan, mum of two aged five and one, and a full time academic who has faced very similar questions in her career

If people are worried about the fact that Jacinda can’t go the distance, why did no one get up in arms when John Key abandoned his role as PM mid-term for personal comfort reasons? I really hope this begins a good public discussion around sexism and double standards.

Julie Fairey, mum of three and local government politician

The first thing women have to struggle through is to confirm their right to talk and participate, whereas men just get to go straight in to policy, ideas, and debate.

Caroline Beech is tired of your shit Mark.

Amanda Hunt , mum of two under four

It’s not OK to ask any woman about this. Not women in politics, not women who are celebrities, not women in the workplace, not even women you know in your circle of friends unless they invite the topic themselves. It is, to my mind, among the most intimate of issues.

It baffles me that so many people consider: “So, are you going to have kids? How many? When are you having another?” and the like to be a legitimate form of small talk. No. The person you’re talking to could be struggling with infertility or recovering from a miscarriage or dealing with unfortunate genetic challenges, but there’s also just… it’s none of anybody’s business. Ever. None.

Michaela, mum of three – aged six, two, and one – also has something to say to Mark Richardson: “mind your own uterus”.

Nichole Brown, single mum of one four year old, traveller of the world and writer

Unless her womb is going to be directly shouting out policies which will impact homelessness, or unless she is giving birth to coriander, or unless her womb is going to sign a bill putting higher taxes on vegetables (with the exception of coriander), then I for one don’t care what she does with it. The Mark Richardsons of the world should ask some ACTUAL questions that matter.
Nichole Brown’s, mum of one five year old, has a message for Mark Richardson

Gem Wilder, mum of one five-year-old

Yesterday morning was one of those times where you can almost feel the excitement in the air. The shift in energy that accompanied Ardern’s promotion to Labour leader was palpable. As a very much undecided voter, I looked forward to hearing her election strategy and her intentions for the party. And then the news stories started rolling in. Rather than hearing about what she plans on doing for the country should she become prime minister, all I’m hearing about is what she plans on doing with her uterus.

The discussions around motherhood and working mothers and parental leave and supportive workplaces and the like are important relevant conversations to be having. In context. They should not be solely focused on one woman who may or may not be a mother someday.

Sarah Watkeys, mum of two angel babies and one rainbow baby

How do we even know if she has a womb? Let alone a working one? And it’s none of our business anyway. Or are we scared we’re going to have a prime minister with six kids? Oh… wait… we already do.

Kiki, mum of two, four and two has a message for Mark Richardson et al.

Kiki Van Newton, mum of two aged four and two

Mums shouldn’t get paid parental leave, mums shouldn’t be on benefits, mums shouldn’t have children if they have jobs, mums shouldn’t have children if they don’t have jobs. It’s almost like we live in a society that will find a way to devalue anything women do.

Tessa Prebble, mum to Eva, writer at The Spinoff Parents and disability advocate

While Mark Richardson is an inflammatory, enraging, fool, he’s not really the problem here. The problem is a culture and society which places the full responsibility of child raising on women. The problem is a society which damns you if you do want kids and if you don’t.

The problem is a society which treats women who don’t want to have children as if they are defective. The problem is a society where mothers aren’t given the support they need to work and be a mother in balance. In saying all this, Mark Richardson should know better, because he has no ethical, moral or legal right to ask Jacinda these questions. Shame on him for letting New Zealanders think that anyone has that right.

Eliza Prestidge-Oldfield, mum of two and a lawyer who knows this shit is illegal

It’s a very private question, and those asking it are not expecting honesty. They’re testing her to see if she can give an answer that is suitably coy about her relationship privacy, respects other people’s choices, affirms the importance of motherhood, and assures people that she can be considered an honorary man for the purpose of politics while performing maternal sympathy and femininity at the same time. They don’t care what her actual personal thoughts are on the matter.

Linda Jane, mum of one 19-month-old.

Angela Meyer, mum of one and bonus mum of two

Dear NZ, About Bill English, face like a battle axe and with six kids! What does his mum have to say about him being PM? How irresponsible. How many nights has he had away from home? Regards, outraged of Kelburn.

Julia Kerr mum of two aged four and nine

Why should a woman only be subject to certain opportunities based on what her womb is up to. Our lives do not revolve around our uterus – we’re made up of quite a lot more than that.

Caroline Beech, mum of two

Me when interviewing Mark Richardson for a job: “So do you have any plans in the next five years to come to work hungover or perhaps call in sick? Because if you do I’m not hiring you. Unless you can produce me proof you have never had a sick day you’re fucked.”

Terri Sinclair, mum of two and communications professional

It’s not appropriate to ask anyone their plans about becoming a parent or growing their family. But on a side note, if you’re going to ask the question, it’s equally relevant to male parents. I personally know couples who shared the first year of parental leave six months each, and equally share domestic leave to look after sick kids.

My husband and I both support our family, both when I was working full time and now I’m at home with number two. He is still a dad. Aside from the breastfeeding period (if a mother chooses and is able to do that), men could equally be impacted by becoming a parent depending on their lifestyle – but you never hear media or employers asking a politician or CEO if they are planning to become a dad as it might affect their ability to contribute or their career prospects.

Anonymous

I desperately want to be a mum and I’ve been trying for four years. Just please stop asking women this question – it fucking hurts! You don’t know what battles we are going through.

Julia Kerr agrees with Angela.

Dr Jess Berentson-shaw, mother of two, and actual scientist

If we want to talk about parenting and work as an issue we should do that with people with children, not focus on childless women’s intentions. It is totally disengenuous to claim this is about opening up a conversation about parenting. It is not. There is plenty of research showing how to support all parents in the workplace better, plenty of actual parents who can talk about it and have in fact given a lot of information on how to make workplaces more supportive of parents of all genders. This focus on Jacinda Ardren is concern trolling at the highest level, driven by the underlying and sexist idea that she may not fulfil her proper destiny, which is to have children.

Angela Cuming, mum of three, columnist for The Spinoff Parents

I am a mother of three little boys and I live in Hamilton. This week the local Labour candidate, Jamie Strange, was out door-knocking. He introduced himself and we had a chat about what issues concern me in the upcoming election. I told him: house prices, funding for mental health services, not capping immigration numbers, the environment, better (and equal) pay for teachers and nurses.

You know what I didn’t ask him? IF HE PLANNED TO GO HOME AND BANG HIS WIFE THAT NIGHT AND MAKE BABY NUMBER FIVE FOR THE STRANGE FAMILY.

Because that’s none of my business, nor do I give a toss how many kids he has, just as I wouldn’t care if he had no kids. You want to know what I think about Jacinda Ardern? I want to know what her policies and thoughts are on house prices and mental health services and immigration and the environment. I don’t care about her uterus and if she plans to use it soon to home a baby. I care about how she plans on RUNNING THE COUNTRY.

Angela Cuming thinks Mark Richardson is a knob.

Tamsyn Clemerson-Phillips, mum of one 10-month old

Thanks to the constant misogynist questioning of her choices, Jacinda Ardern has to defend not only herself but the choices of every other person in New Zealand who wants to be a parent. How can she be prime minister AND a new parent AND do both jobs well AND live up to everyone’s expectations of what that looks like? She has to make a choice and no matter what, she’s going to lose because of this poisonous attitude of mistrust towards women.

Tamsyn Clemerson-Phillips mum to a 20-month-old photographed while working.

So have you got the message? Stick to your ball sports Mark. Your opinion on women and their reproductive choices are not wanted or needed. You have that classic thing so many stale, pale, and male dudes have where you think your opinion is important. It’s not.

And Jacinda – Kia kaha, you come from a long-line of women who are tired of men asking invasive questions about their personal decisions around parenthood. You have many mothers standing with you – please don’t forget that when you’re faced with this crap. We’ve got your back.

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